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#1 S.Doolittle

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Posted February 07 2013 - 09:54 AM

Does copolymer line typically sink like fluorocarbon or float like nylon monofilament?  


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Posted February 07 2013 - 09:56 AM

It is going to depend on the copolymer's make up.  If the line is mainly mono it will float some, mainly floro sink.  YZ Hybrid is a great mix yields the best properties of both line, it does sink but not as fast as pure floro. 


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Posted February 07 2013 - 12:00 PM

PLINE CXX will sink, but very slowly



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Posted February 07 2013 - 09:07 PM

I love Silver Threads Excalibur copolymer. I have used it for years and can't find many flaws with it. I use it for most of my setups.


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Posted February 10 2013 - 03:00 PM

I use Silver Thread Excalibur or Izorline XXX. Have had no problems with either one.



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Posted February 10 2013 - 06:45 PM

I have not used it in a few years, but IIRC, the line I used.........Trilene Sensation, floated.


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Posted February 10 2013 - 07:52 PM

PLINE CXX will sink, but very slowly

It's a shame I don't know the answer to your question because I use P-Line CXX on every trip but I can't remember for the life of me if it sinks or not. I was leaning toward saying it floats but maybe Jig Meister is correct and it's actually slow sinking line. Either way it's a fantastic copoly and I use it on every rod that I don't have braid on. I use different pound tests for different techniques obviously like 10-12 for cranking, 15 for jigs t-rigs spinnerbaits etc., and 25 for large swimbats swim jigs and Alabama rigs. Great stuff. 



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Posted February 10 2013 - 08:28 PM

Copolymers are are nylon monofilaments.  They use a mix of different nylon polymer formulations to get different performance qualities.  I don't think that includes fluorocarbon because any line maker who includes fluorocarbon in their monofilament would certainly trumpet the fact in their advertising.



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Posted February 10 2013 - 09:18 PM

From eyeball experience: I use P-Line Floroclear and Yo-Zuri Hybrid. They sink more slowly than pure FC line, obviously (at least to me). Will float, but not like pure mono. IMHO, the two I mention are the best of both worlds for me.

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Posted February 10 2013 - 10:22 PM

Copolymers are are nylon monofilaments. They use a mix of different nylon polymer formulations to get different performance qualities. I don't think that includes fluorocarbon because any line maker who includes fluorocarbon in their monofilament would certainly trumpet the fact in their advertising.


Thank you. On a daily basis I see folks on here talking about liking a copolymer for this and a mono for that. It's marketing guys. There are different nylon based monfilament lines with different characteristics on the water; but it's still nylon mono lol.

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Posted February 10 2013 - 10:41 PM

Thank you. On a daily basis I see folks on here talking about liking a copolymer for this and a mono for that. It's marketing guys. There are different nylon based monfilament lines with different characteristics on the water; but it's still nylon mono lol.

 

Umm, some copolys implement a very small coating of fluorocarbon.  So its not really marketing.  Just look at P-line Fluoroclear or CX Premium or CXX.  All 3 of those have a coating of fluorocarbon but yes the guts of it is still nylon mono.



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Posted February 10 2013 - 10:45 PM

Copolymers are are nylon monofilaments.  They use a mix of different nylon polymer formulations to get different performance qualities.  I don't think that includes fluorocarbon because any line maker who includes fluorocarbon in their monofilament would certainly trumpet the fact in their advertising.

 

 

Thank you. On a daily basis I see folks on here talking about liking a copolymer for this and a mono for that. It's marketing guys. There are different nylon based monfilament lines with different characteristics on the water; but it's still nylon mono lol.

 

Sorry fellas but YZ Hybrid is floro and mono copolymer, fused together, many manufacturer's copoly is just mono, some are mono with a floro coating, but YZ is different, I think it is why it demonstrates the best of both.

 

http://yo-zuri.com/P...uri_Hybrid.html

 

from their website quote:

 

             Hybrid is the first and only fishing line that molecularly bonds nylon and fluorocarbon during extrusion. The result is a             strong, dense new material that we call Hybrid. Hybrid takes advantage of the awesome abrasion resistance and sensitivity         of fluorocarbon, while utilizing the flexibility and stretch of nylon.


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Posted February 11 2013 - 08:56 AM

I figured someone would mention that. Again I get there's different recipes. But it's still predominantly nylon and fishes like it... If I gave u a reel with it chances are most couldnt tell a difference. it fishes very similar to a lot of the other more abrasion resistant, less manageable, high diameter vs rated strength monos on the market.

I love hybrid and have used it since 2005. Im not so sure that it takes less UV damage over time than other nylon lines either. Personally I change it often cause its cheap, but the few breakage issues I've seen amongst my friends and I are among the older spoolings. .

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Posted February 11 2013 - 10:19 AM

Im gonna disagree, YoZuri doesnt stretch like mono, nomatter what mono you use.
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Posted February 11 2013 - 11:09 AM

Flouro stretches just as much as nylon...The caveat being nylon isn't permanently deformed and weakened by this process. Hybrid retains its strength quite well when stretched and has incredible knot strength thanks to the nylon. It also weighs virtually the same and is as dense is most other nylon monos. End result, in the real world it fishes like a nylon mono. There are rubber band stretchy nylon lines (trilene big cat), and lines that have that instant "crisp" feel. Toray Bawo Polyamide Plus is touted as 100% Nylon and feels less stretchy than Hybrid to me.

 

At the end of the day all I'm saying is fisherman are hoodwinked by the marketing of the manufacturers...Every nylon made "mono" IS A COPOLYMER of various chemicals.






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