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Rod Building (Read 2392 times)
ReelMech
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Rod Building
Dec 22nd, 2005 at 8:48am
 
Hey flechero,
Hows the rod building going? What blanks did you get?   Smiley
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Re: Rod Building
Reply #1 - Dec 22nd, 2005 at 10:58am
 
You know, I usually fly through the forum with blinders on and always look at the same things... I just noticed the tacklemaking section last night before bed!!  I thought I was seeing things!  ...lol

Reelmech,  I sent you an email before finding this...   but I have an SCIII and an SCV blank under the Christmas tree!!  (and a small box which I suspect contains a handful of Fuji Ti framed SiC guides!   Smiley  I can't wait to get started!!
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"Grandpa shook his head and said "I can see it now, he'll be the first 5 year old in history that can back a trailer down the ramp."  

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Reply #2 - Dec 23rd, 2005 at 9:03am
 
Hey flechero,
Did you get to read the e-mail, and did the spiral setup I use confuse you..... Cheesy
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Reply #3 - Dec 23rd, 2005 at 10:43am
 
Yup, got your email, no confusion.  Thanks again!  I won't be ordering the guides for the casting rod until I do some static placement work, I did however order the guides for the spinning blank... I took what I thought was going to be my finished guide needs and just ordered a few extras so I could get started as soon as it all arrived!
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Reply #4 - Dec 23rd, 2005 at 10:50am
 
Hey ReelMech, is there enough height on the leg of a BLG to use the Forhan locking wrap?

Thanks!
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Reply #5 - Dec 23rd, 2005 at 12:17pm
 
flechero,
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is there enough height on the leg of a BLG to use the Forhan locking wrap

Yeh they are low to the blank, so I use a 2 wrap then another 2 wraps on the frame and another 2 wraps behind then lock them. Most of the higher frame guides i'll make 2 wraps in front, then 3 wraps up the leg, then another 2 wraps to finish and then lock the wrap. The packing on the shorter guides is the important part. One other thing to note is on the shorter guide frames, the finish tends to want to wick up the frame with the Forhan wrap more, so more care has to be taken when wicking the excess finish from them.....
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Reply #6 - Dec 28th, 2005 at 12:31am
 
ReelMech,

I hit a roadblock yesterday... all those "premium flor grade" cork rings I ordered... from 2 different suppliers, looked like they came off of a shotgun range!  They were pitted up like the inside of a loaf of homemade bread!  Not even comfortable to hold in the hand.  What a bunch of garbage!  I glued em up anyway and turned a couple grips just to test out my home made lathe.  I turned out some nice grips, to bad they were just for practice, since the cork was so bad.  I had $50 worth of practice yesterday... and all I have to show for it is an angry streak.  Angry  I should have sent them back but I was dying to do something rod building related.

Who sells good cork?  I spent $2/ring and got taken to the cleaners!  The pictures they show, were at least 3-4 grades higher than what I recieved.  

I was thinking of ordering some of Andy Dear's exotic burl, it looks good and I've heard others say it was good quality.  Have you tried it?  If not, do you have any suggestions on a supplier?

As always...  Thanks!!

-keith
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Reply #7 - Dec 28th, 2005 at 9:30am
 
Keith,
Oh man, that is why I only turn burl..... Shocked

I have seen Andy's exotic burl it is good looking and turns out some great grips. I haven't had a chance to get any yet but my next burl order is going to include some for sure. I get all of my cork from Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register, Karen there has been my component supplier now for 15 years, she bends over backwards for me, and carries most all of Andy's components. ... Wink

The grading system for natural cork is a joke. Back about a year ago Tom and some others on the .org site came up with a grading system that would have worked but only a few of the distributors went with it...

Let me know if you need anything..... Smiley
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Reply #8 - Dec 28th, 2005 at 12:31pm
 
I've had an email into Andy, I think he's took some time off for Christmas.  I'll be ordering some exotic burl along with my other odds and ends when I hear from him.

Do you have a picture of any of your split grips?  I'd like to see them.  I have been thinking about it for some of my upcoming projects... and since learning that burl is heavier (thanks to you) I think it may make the most sense as well.

Thanks,

-keith

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Reply #9 - Dec 28th, 2005 at 1:41pm
 
flechero
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I've had an email into Andy, I think he's took some time off for Christmas.  I'll be ordering some exotic burl along with my other odds and ends when I hear from him.

Yeah he has been real busy with the new finish he came out with. I haven't been able to get to Tom's site all morning something has got that section of the net messed up for me. How about you have you been able to get to the site?   Shocked
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Do you have a picture of any of your split grips?  I'd like to see them.  I have been thinking about it for some of my upcoming projects... and since learning that burl is heavier (thanks to you) I think it may make the most sense as well.

Yeah here are the links
Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register
Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register
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You might want to take a look at this article also
Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register

I'm going to be slow on replies today, trying to clear the bench of reel orders. I'll keep checking back in between orders..... Smiley

Tight Wraps!       Wink
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Reply #10 - Dec 28th, 2005 at 11:05pm
 
ReelMech,

As many questions as I ask you, I ought to put you on a retainer!!   Thanks for the links, you make some great looking rods!  Sometimes I need a visual to help me work through it.

I also was unable to get into the .org site today.  But instead the mailman brought me all the backissues of rodmaker mag I ordered so I spent the afternoon reading.  I have decided (and i have agonized over how I wanted to build them) to go with a split grip, no foregrip, cut down fuji exposed seat and a bumper set up.  All I have heard and read tells me this will fit my style perfectly!  All I have to do now is build it.  I'm expecting the remainder of my ordered (spinning) components to arrive tomorrow or Friday so hopefully I'll get a good jump on things this weekend.  I'll be starting on the spinning rod first since I'll not be able to use a BC for probably another 3-4 months.  If the Dr. gives me a good report next week, I'll probably be able to use spinning gear by early Feb '06.  

Have you had trouble balancing spinning rods with the split grip?  I used to have a Diawa Light/tough spinning rod, the only one I ever had with a split grip but it was also the best spinning rod I had owned at the time... so I don't know if it was the grip or rod I liked.  ...lol  I expect a spin rod to be tip heavy but like to keep it to a minimum if I can.  

One more bumper question for you... Why do they suggest using a small (8 or 7 ring) bumper and then back to a "normal" rest of the ring sizes... it seems to me if you choke to a 7 or 8 then there would be no need to go back up and then down again towards the tip.  Am I out of line?  I figure if I go to an 8 bumper. I'll stick with 8 and then 7's as running guides since the line has already been choked down.

Thanks again for all of your help!!!!  Don't worry about answering my questions if you have reels waiting...  I can wait until you have free time.  

You are a true gentleman and a class act, a sincere thank you for all the help you have provided!

-keith

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Reply #11 - Dec 29th, 2005 at 9:07am
 
flechero,
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I'm expecting the remainder of my ordered (spinning) components to arrive tomorrow or Friday so hopefully I'll get a good jump on things this weekend.

Great just take things slowly as you get started...
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Have you had trouble balancing spinning rods with the split grip?  I used to have a Diawa Light/tough spinning rod, the only one I ever had with a split grip but it was also the best spinning rod I had owned at the time... so I don't know if it was the grip or rod I liked.  ...lol  I expect a spin rod to be tip heavy but like to keep it to a minimum if I can.

No really. The one spinning split grip w/seat you saw, wasn't much work. You need to tape the reel to the blank and check the balance a few times to get the spot that the reel will sit on. I usually try to keep spinning rods a little tip heavy (not much), I think it helps with the casting accuracy. As for the length of the grip that comes off of the seat, I mount the reel to the seat and have the customer grip the seat/reel combo and measure the length of the anglers palm and add a half inch. The fighting butt section is a case of personal preference on it's length.
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One more bumper question for you... Why do they suggest using a small (8 or 7 ring) bumper and then back to a "normal" rest of the ring sizes... it seems to me if you choke to a 7 or 8 then there would be no need to go back up and then down again towards the tip.  Am I out of line?  I figure if I go to an 8 bumper. I'll stick with 8 and then 7's as running guides since the line has already been choked down.

When I set up my bumper style rods. A typical set up for a bumper style 6' spinner bait rod for me is #10 BSVLG stripper, then #5.5 BLG's on out to a BLLT-7 tip, the bumper is a #6 BLG, (all of the BLG's have the same frame size) these are all Fuji Hardloy®.
But don't try to just visualize this, wait until you can band up your guides on your blank and actually see what size you need under the static test.

David..
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Re: Rod Building
Reply #12 - Dec 29th, 2005 at 12:17pm
 
I will go slow, I'd rather take the extra time to do it all right the first time around than rush for the sake of finishing a rod.  Besides, I have lots of (good) rods to use until I can get a few of "mine" made.
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Reply #13 - Dec 29th, 2005 at 1:03pm
 
flechero,
Thats the idea..... Grin

If you need any info just let me know what I can do.....

David     Wink
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Reply #14 - Dec 29th, 2005 at 9:35pm
 
ReelMech,

I placed an order with Andy Dear today, got a bunch of his exotic burl and a few more blanks.  ...lol I couldn't resist.  I had one specific blank in mind when I called him and ended up getting 5.  He bought a bunch of the blank stock from AllStar since they are no longer going to sell blanks to the public, needless to say he's got them priced to move fast.  Now I'll have blanks and cork on hand, when I get the urge, just order some guides and a reel seat.  I don't expect to get bored at all in the next few months!

Do you use alconites at all?  I am just thinking about a less expensive, good guide to use on these AllStar blanks.  I have 2 of them set aside in my head for gifts once they are built (assuming I can make em pretty!)  I want them to be high quality but don't want to break the bank on give aways.
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