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T-rig Been Posting A Long Time Offline It's not how you fish, it's when you fish! Switzerland Gender:	Re: Fact from Fiction about Spray scents on Post b Reply #45 - Oct 17^th, 2007 at 9:44am I never used scents and I never will.
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Matt Fly Been Posting A Long Time Offline Hook'em terrell tx Gender:	Re: Fact from Fiction about Spray scents on Post b Reply #46 - Oct 17^th, 2007 at 10:21am T-rig wrote on Oct 17^th, 2007 at 9:44am: I never used scents and I never will. You don't wear no deodorants either? Thats sad, I'm sorry, you can't get in my boat with your stinky ole self. LOL Cologne does help attract a nice one once in awhile. Matt
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Re: Fact from Fiction about Spray scents on Post b
Reply #47 - Oct 17^th, 2007 at 12:44pm

Matt Fly wrote on Oct 17^th, 2007 at 10:21am:

T-rig wrote on Oct 17^th, 2007 at 9:44am:

I never used scents and I never will. Wink

You don't wear no deodorants either? Thats sad, I'm sorry, you can't get in my boat with your stinky ole self. LOL

Cologne does help attract a nice one once in awhile.

Matt

I don't need deodorant, my sweat smells like roses! Grin

Besides, I don't want to fish with you anyway! Grin

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Reply #48 - Oct 17^th, 2007 at 2:10pm

roadwarrior.. wrote on Oct 16^th, 2007 at 2:32pm:

"Dr. Jones" is employeed by Berkley. His work is NOT peer reviewed and his "testing" cannot be independently confirmed because his data base and methodology are "proprietary." From a purely scientific stand point (as Lane has pointed out), Berkley's/ Dr. Jones' findings are purely speculation or more pointedly, promotional propaganda.

I suppose that's the difference between "pure science" and "applied science".

Very few scientists in any field are self-employed, and many of them do not go through peer review. That does not make their results "speculation" or "promotional propaganda". If a tree falls in the forest and you didn't hear it, did it make a sound? If George Richman hadn't died trying to copy Benjamin Franklin's lightning experiment would we still say that Benjamin Franklin performed a scientific experiment?

Of course, the more info made public the more confidence one can have in the results, but in applied science the scientific process (not the peer review process) is often what separates "speculation" from hypothesis and theory.

Secondly, if I remember correctly, most of what was in the book was about biology/physiology and subjects that have been covered in acedemic and gov. studies that usually are peer reviewed (and in some cases were even referenced). For example: he referenced a study that determined that pacific salmon could "smell" a mammal in the water. How much of that book was basic biology info was one of the things that surprised me about it. Very little of the book was about how Berkley uses that knowledge. While we may never see and may or may not beleive the test procedure and data of Berkley, there is lots of science in that book.

Thirdly, unless the articles in fishing mags I read were bogus, Berkley has made public some of their testing methods which could be duplicated if one chose to. Not to mention at least one experiment whose method was detailed in the book (the one about crawfish shapes with different or no claws on them).

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Re: Fact from Fiction about Spray scents on Post b
Reply #49 - Oct 17^th, 2007 at 10:49pm

I have been asked to respond to this thread, since I am a scientist and member of the AFS, of
which portions of published transcripts were used by Dr. Keith Jones to pursuade readers to
believe his theories and purchase Berkely/PureFishing products.

Most active research conducted at the Pure Fishing facility is conducted on smaller hatchery bass,
reared in captive conditions. At this time there is no scientific research that proves that his theory
or that scents or attractants in general increase capture rates. FoodSource Lures and other companies
do incorporate an amino acid that is found in high amounts in gelatin based products and eggs.
This particular protein has been used to stimulate feeding behavior in certain species of fish UNDER
CAPTIVE CONDITIONS (this is a variable and an important one) Bass hunt primarily through sight, and that is a proven fact.

Anise oil is not a known toxicant to fish, other natural plant extracts are. Glenn is correct that garlic
applied externally can harm fish! Rotenone is a POWERFUL fish toxicant and is derived primarily from
the derris root but can be found in weeds from the eastern US. Smallfry there is a big difference
between theory and applied science. Most of us in the scientific community call it JUNK SCIENCE
when correct scientific method is not used in the application, or the abstract is not clearly stated.
Variables must be clearly stated as well.

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roadwarrior.. Global Moderator BassResource.com Writer BassResource.com Staff Offline From a human perspective, they're like Twinkies. germantown, tn Gender:	Re: Fact from Fiction about Spray scents on Post b Reply #50 - Oct 18^th, 2007 at 8:42am Hey Lane! We appreciate professional comments from the front line. I also saw your post on the associated thread. Thank you for contributing to the discussion.
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Re: Fact from Fiction about Spray scents on Post b
Reply #51 - Oct 18^th, 2007 at 10:15am

Thanks for the post Lane. Wink

So is garlic scent sprays & baits bad for fish? If garlic is bad for fish, why do they sell so many garlic scented baits and attractants?

I personally have seen a bass go bananas when some garlic over-spray fell on the water surface. It either drove him nutts or it turned him off to the scent.

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avid wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2006 at 1:13pm:

&&by now your nerves are strung tighter than ted nugents bow, but give it another few seconds and set the hook.

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Reply #52 - Oct 18^th, 2007 at 10:46am

jb, What I said is that garlic applied externally is VERY BAD for the fish. Garlic is an irritant, and
when it comes in contact with the slime cells it irritates them. If fish are exposed to the irritant for
extended periods of time, the slime cells cease to produce mucus. The fish die from secondary
infections. We have documented the effects of garlic on fish in a closed environment, and it is
NOT PRETTY!

The reason why you have observed or witnessed bass go nuts or bananas is because they are trying
to REMOVE the source of irritation from their environment. The strike is out of pure AGRESSION.
Hopefully, this will help you to understand what you have observed.

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Re: Fact from Fiction about Spray scents on Post b
Reply #53 - Oct 18^th, 2007 at 11:41am

Lane. wrote on Oct 18^th, 2007 at 10:46am:

jb, What I said is that garlic applied externally is VERY BAD for the fish. Garlic is an irritant, and
when it comes in contact with the slime cells it irritates them. If fish are exposed to the irritant for
extended periods of time, the slime cells cease to produce mucus. The fish die from secondary
infections. We have documented the effects of garlic on fish in a closed environment, and it is
NOT PRETTY!

The reason why you have observed or witnessed bass go nuts or bananas is because they are trying
to REMOVE the source of irritation from their environment. The strike is out of pure AGRESSION.
Hopefully, this will help you to understand what you have observed.

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avid wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2006 at 1:13pm:

&&by now your nerves are strung tighter than ted nugents bow, but give it another few seconds and set the hook.

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Reply #54 - Oct 18^th, 2007 at 9:05pm

I have been using YUM Spray in Crawfish scent on my jigs (don't know if im catching fish due to the spray, but there defenitely hittin my jig), and MegaStrike on my softbaits. I don't know what it is about the YUM Spray but when a drop of that stuff hits the water, it moves everything near it, like a shockwave going through the water. Wonder what it is.

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Redhed Junior Member Offline I Love Bass Fishing! Burlington, NC	Re: Fact from Fiction about Spray scents on Post below Reply #55 - Mar 26^th, 2009 at 8:29am YUM has done nothing for me thats for sure. i do not use scents (not that i am closed minded to it) just never had really seen the difference using them and not using them. i may try megastrike one day
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Bobby megastrike BassResource.com Advertiser Offline I Love Bass Fishing! Gender:	Re: Fact from Fiction about Spray scents on Post below Reply #56 - Mar 26^th, 2009 at 9:19am It moves everything like a shock wave- given the conditions-oils will dance on the water (disperse) and I find that the warmer the oil the more it will disperse. It can eventually make a film on the water only one molecule thick.
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Reply #57 - Mar 26^th, 2009 at 5:41pm

Just my 2 cents, to be taken with a grain of salt. First off IMO I believe we should forget all this talk about scent Attractants for IMO bass are sight feeders first and foremost and anything in the scent market that's says Attractant is nothing more then marketing. Instead we should be focusing on TASTE and to some extent feel, after the fact of sight, the true attractor.

With that out of my system, the question then becomes not what bass can smell but what is it that they can taste, what they like to taste and what they will taste and hold onto longer. What taste good to the bass?

With this in mind after 20 some years of on the water bass fishing under my belt, after trying every goofy thing in bottle that says Attractant on it or other goofy claims, here is my opinion.

Whether or not a bass can smell oil based attractants can be debated forever but if you look at it from purely a taste and feel stand point, even if they can not taste Garlic, Craw or whatever oil, the oily feel of the stuff in a bass's mouth may be enough for the bass to think it's real food even if it can not taste what flavor it is. If its slimy like real bait fish, or in this case oily, he may accept that factor as real enough. However I think with oils he can make up his mind pretty quick to either eat it or spit it out. He may be passive and not taste anything yet eat it, or he may not taste anything and spit it out cause it has no taste or a taste he don't like, if you believe he can taste oil that is.

With this focusing on taste, it is my belief that Bobby MegaStrike is on the right path, or has hit the nail on the head, for amino acids are the key for everything a bass eats contains amino acids. The question in my mind is, in what form can a bass actually taste these amino acids. If bobby has truly, of which I believe he has, found a way to use an oil base that releases the water based amino acids, then Mr. Bass is going to be very happy with what he has put in his mouth and therefor hold on much longer, giving the angler more time to set the hook.

So there's my opinion for whatever it is worth. All's I can say for sure is that with MegaStrike or Edge Hot Sauce for that matter, the bass that I have caught with the stuff, do hold on longer, in fact I watched a small bass inhale a worm coated in old formula MegaStrike, hold on for a full 2 minutes before I decided to set the hook. It looked like he was chewing on it like bubble gum. Way cool.

Will so called attractants add more fish to you day? I don't think so Vern, at least in the 20 some years I have been bass fishing I have yet to see such make a difference in numbers of strikes, but at the same time how can one prove such? Even if you and your partner where fishing the exact same setup, one with scent and the other without, how can you prove the scent worked or if it was the action and location of the lure was the ticket. However I do believe that once you have attracted the bass with your lure and presentation of such lure, after he decides to strike such lure, that if he taste something good and it feels real, he's not going to let go so fast and bass like the taste of MegaStrike and therefor I use it for that reason, not because Bobby says so, not because Bill Dance says use this, not because KVD uses that, I use MegaStrike because it works for me and I believe in the direction MegaStrike has taken as opposed to other companies.

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Bassin_Fin@tic Been Posting A Long Time Online Currently trying to beat the heat Bradenton,Florida Gender:	Re: Fact from Fiction about Spray scents on Post below Reply #58 - Mar 26^th, 2009 at 5:55pm Can I get an AMEN??!!
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GMAN Been Posting A Long Time Online Its all about jig fishin Missouri Gender:	Re: Fact from Fiction about Spray scents on Post below Reply #59 - Mar 27^th, 2009 at 10:37am Links to research?
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