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This is what I use, but the Sufix 832 is great braid in my opinion.

The leader could be a number of brands, too. #20 AbrazX or #15

Yo-Zuri Hybrid are a couple of suggestions.

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right on, I will be looking into them for sure. I have been really pleased with the 832 so I am going to fish this year with it. Might mix a new one in as these start to wear a little. 

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Next question, I like the 4-5ft of leader ......what is your preference on leader length? why?

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Test the weight that the part is snapping at. Either replace if it's not performing, or increase break strength of that part, or reduce the drag.

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I use 15# braid and usually a 15# leader, my leaders are about 20".  I do not make an exceptionally hard hook set, just hard enough.  Even with spinning gear I can lock that drag down and hookset as hard as I want, I don't choose that method.  As mentioned I would ease up on the drag and make sure your leader is healthy.  I don't think I'm supposed to land every fish, it's sport and by using much heavier lines and leaders I'm removing the sporting aspect out of it.  If I'm giving that fish a sporting chance it's ok if it wins sometimes.

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I would put my money on your line to line know being the problem

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I only use braid in heavy cover application and use 65 lb to cut through aquatic vegetation. I tie direct, bass don't seem to care about line in heavy cover or at night.

Otherwise I use FC line for jigs and worms, no braid because I detest making extra knots that fail at the worst possible time.

For jigs and worms on baitcasting reels I use 10, 12 and 16 lb Sunline Super FC green Sniper, 6 lb for spinning/ finesse presentations.

My hook setting technique is keeping the rod tip low and towards the bass, reel quickly when a strike is detected, then rod sweep back firmly to complete the hook set. Haven't broken off bass in a long time due to line or knot failure. I do set my drag @ 1/3rd the FC line strength and trust my drags to perform. Also take my time to tie perfect knots if possible. Look at your broken line for indication of why it failed; a curl end is knot failure, frayed is abrasion failure, clean cut smooth end is usually bad line.

Tom

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Matching the rod to line to hook, (and in your case also leader) is important. If you want to keep everything the same, get rid of the flouro, and get some 15 lb (or even 12 lb) Big Game or Ande (No matter what you've read, the fish don't care), tie an Alberto (still owes me money) to join braid to leader, and a palomar at lure. Problem solved.

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I agree with RW on the 15# yozuri for leaders. I use either that or izorline for leaders. They are pretty much the same line and work equally as good for me. As a bonus a spool of izorline is really cheap. It's like $8 for 300 yards of top notch line. I think once yozuri cost about the same but now the price has gone up.

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Thanks fellas, getting a lot of really good feed back on this....I appreciate it. 

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Eventually anglers are going to have to face the reality that Fluorocarbon line is just a PIA.

The problems associated with it seriously out weight any benefits realized.

 

The shear number of threads where post after post document all the same problems by so many anglers tell the story.  Manageability and weak knot strength are routinely detailed as challenging characteristic of the line.

 

 Believing that Monofilament line is inferior to fluorocarbon is a matter of opinion; but it's not mine.

 

Have there been many threads recounting where anglers are having problems with mono line leaders parting at the knot ?   A quick search will answer that.  The low numbers in the search results would indicate that it's not a problem.

 

To the anglers who use fluorocarbon leaders successfully, congratulations, you've managed to slay the dragon. 

 

  We rarely hear from the mono leader uses. except to post up pictures of nice bass.

 

A-Jay

 

 

 

 

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Eventually anglers are going to have to face the reality that Fluorocarbon line is just a PIA.

The problems associated with it seriously out weight any benefits realized.

 

The shear number of threads where post after post document all the same problems by so many anglers tell the story.  Manageability and weak knot strength are routinely detailed as challenging characteristic of the line.

 

 Believing that Monofilament line is inferior to fluorocarbon is a matter of opinion; but it's not mine.

 

Have there been many threads recounting where anglers are having problems with mono line leaders parting at the knot ?   A quick search will answer that.  The low numbers in the search results would indicate that it's not a problem.

 

To the anglers who use fluorocarbon leaders successfully, congratulations, you've managed to slay the dragon. 

 

  We rarely hear from the mono leader uses. except to post up pictures of nice bass.

 

A-Jay

LMAO right on

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Been using fluoro leaders for steelhead long before I tried it for bass. Never really had an issue other than hating to tie a connection knot. To me, it's either a bad leader, bad knot, or some part of the system is unbalanced. 20# rod, 50# main line, drag cinched down, and a 10# leader…leader will break first. Doesn't matter how good a knot is. Not saying this is what you did, but you have to look at the break as the weakest part of the system, and determine why it failed.

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There are several types of mono that I have trusted since I started fishing hard at 13. Back then I fished a spool until it was flat beat up. Drag it through sticker bushes and overhanging trees, catch a bunch of fish on it and use it until I could not get a knot to hold. I knew what I could and could not do with it, and that is kinda the problem with this, I have to figure out what I can and cant do with each set up to effectively get a hook in em. I am going to start testing different set ups and find a happy zone. It begins Saturday.

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Eventually anglers are going to have to face the reality that Fluorocarbon line is just a PIA.

The problems associated with it seriously out weight any benefits realized.

 

The shear number of threads where post after post document all the same problems by so many anglers tell the story.  Manageability and weak knot strength are routinely detailed as challenging characteristic of the line.

 

 Believing that Monofilament line is inferior to fluorocarbon is a matter of opinion; but it's not mine.

 

Have there been many threads recounting where anglers are having problems with mono line leaders parting at the knot ?   A quick search will answer that.  The low numbers in the search results would indicate that it's not a problem.

 

To the anglers who use fluorocarbon leaders successfully, congratulations, you've managed to slay the dragon. 

 

  We rarely hear from the mono leader uses. except to post up pictures of nice bass.

 

A-Jay

 

I cannot disagree with the facts you have stated. Still, I am experimenting with fluorocarbon leader.

My #1 suggestion is to spend a lot of time practicing tying the knot. When you are tying to fish, the 

knot MUST BE PERFECT or it is not good enough! Although I would claim to "have it down pat",

on average I have to tie the Alberto Knot twice to get the perfect knot. That means sometimes the

first try works, but sometimes that's three or four attempts.

 

Three more observations: My loop is formed with the fluoro and wrapped with the braid. I pull the knot

as tight as I can get it with bare hands. I clip the fluorocarbon so just a smigin is showing and burn the

braid so the tag is nothing but a bead. To do this move the knot into the flame and just barely burn

your finger tips!

 

 

 

:fishing-026:

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I am a knot freak as well. if they are not perfect I dont throw it. 

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I cannot disagree with the facts you have stated. Still, I am experimenting with fluorocarbon leader.

My #1 suggestion is to spend a lot of time practicing tying the knot. When you are tying to fish, the 

knot MUST BE PERFECT or it is not good enough! Although I would claim to "have it down pat",

on average I have to tie the Alberto Knot twice to get the perfect knot. That means sometimes the

first try works, but sometimes that's three or four attempts.

 

Three more observations: My loop is formed with the fluoro and wrapped with the braid. I pull the knot

as tight as I can get it with bare hands. I clip the fluorocarbon so just a smigin is showing and burn the

braid so the tag is nothing but a bead. To do this move the knot into the flame and just barely burn

your finger tips!

 

 

 

:fishing-026:

 

Thank Kent - Solid advice. 

 

As a capable & confident knot guy myself, I have no problem tying or rigging gear.

  I no longer choose to use that line so I also have no more problems with my line parting unexpectedly and for no apparent reason.

 

  Good Luck with your fluorocarbon adventure. 

 

A-Jay

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Eventually anglers are going to have to face the reality that Fluorocarbon line is just a PIA.

The problems associated with it seriously out weight any benefits realized.

 

The shear number of threads where post after post document all the same problems by so many anglers tell the story.  Manageability and weak knot strength are routinely detailed as challenging characteristic of the line.

 

 Believing that Monofilament line is inferior to fluorocarbon is a matter of opinion; but it's not mine.

 

Have there been many threads recounting where anglers are having problems with mono line leaders parting at the knot ?   A quick search will answer that.  The low numbers in the search results would indicate that it's not a problem.

 

To the anglers who use fluorocarbon leaders successfully, congratulations, you've managed to slay the dragon. 

 

  We rarely hear from the mono leader uses. except to post up pictures of nice bass.

 

A-Jay

 

Well put  :smiley:

 

Roger

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Saturday is looking good, I have a few things I am going to run through the tester.

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Has anyone heard of an H2O Rema rod? I just got one at a pawn shop. It has a carbon fiber handle, batson guides that are metallic blue, and it says 6-6" on it but it's 6-1" on the tape. I have never seen one like it.

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Probably was repaired after the tip snapped off.

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Bumped up to 15lb floro and have had no issues at all. Funny how a little adjustment makes all the difference. 

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