dam0007

Tatula SV, smoke in mirrors?

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Ok this makes no sense at all so I'm just gonna get right into it.

 

Tatula Type R and Tatula CT Type R both use the A7075 spool. (I think Arachnid as well) 

 

HLC and Zillion SV etc are G1 material spools. 

 

The brand spanking new Tatula SV is a A7075 SV spool? What?!? 

 

So basically what I'm getting at is the new model is a type r shallow spool with a SV logo???? Seems to me as a pure marketing thing. 

 

Im a pretty big Daiwa fan this just completely threw me for a loop. 

 

Thoughts? 

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I think the SV system is a combination of spool, inductor and magnets. They all look very similar, but function slightly differently. I expect you'd find an SV spooled reel would cast differently to a non SV, but there is undoubtedly a lot of marketing involved. 

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20 minutes ago, Tim Kelly said:

I think the SV system is a combination of spool, inductor and magnets. They all look very similar, but function slightly differently. I expect you'd find an SV spooled reel would cast differently to a non SV, but there is undoubtedly a lot of marketing involved. 

So the inductor is different than magforce Z? 

 

That wouldnt make sense as they wouldnt sell the HLC spool separately which is night and day from the stock spool, as a replacement, with a different inductor to work with the original magnet system. They charge a PREMIUM for the HLC Tat, which includes all the upgraded components. 

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I don't know specifically, but the springs on the inductors are of different strengths for different applications, some are even fixed without springs I believe on some of the finesse reels.

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Daiwa uses different spool materials on a lot of their spools. Even ones that seem identical. Take the Steez SV103 and the SV103 'zillion' for example. Both use the same spool except one is G1 and the other A7075. The Steez spool is a touch lighter and the material is supposed to be stronger. As far as SV spools go, it's all in the inductor and spring, or air brake as they call it. The inductor comes out and also twists. Some have different length inductors and also some of them seem to be a little thinner too. Other Daiwa spools it just moves in and out. With any of their aftermarket spools like the Zpi,RCS,hlc,tdz R+,1st gen Steez 103 and the 1st gen Steez 100, and so on. It's all a combination of the inductor and spring. The taper of it and length all play a part in the braking. You can change the braking profile of any spool by messing with the inductor spring. Zpi spools have a fixed inductor so the braking is always the same. Makes a great pitching or skipping spool. I swap all my sv spool inductor springs out for a stiffer one. It's fixes the issue with stuck inductors and also really wakes the spool up since in stock form it's meant to be very controlled. There's also the magnet in the sideplate. Some reels seem to have a stronger magnet in it though not totally confirmed I don't think. That's why you can swap 2 different sv spools into the same reel and they'll both perform differently. That combination of every I mentioned makes them act different.

Heres an example of what I'm saying. Pic 1 - SV inductor length differences. Pic 2/3 - 1st gen Steez 103 vs 100 spool inductor tapers. Pic 4 - Zpi fixed inductor. 

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6 hours ago, rippin-lips said:

Daiwa uses different spool materials on a lot of their spools. Even ones that seem identical. Take the Steez SV103 and the SV103 'zillion' for example. Both use the same spool except one is G1 and the other A7075. The Steez spool is a touch lighter and the material is supposed to be stronger. As far as SV spools go, it's all in the inductor and spring, or air brake as they call it. The inductor comes out and also twists. Some have different length inductors and also some of them seem to be a little thinner too. Other Daiwa spools it just moves in and out. With any of their aftermarket spools like the Zpi,RCS,hlc,tdz R+,1st gen Steez 103 and the 1st gen Steez 100, and so on. It's all a combination of the inductor and spring. The taper of it and length all play a part in the braking. You can change the braking profile of any spool by messing with the inductor spring. Zpi spools have a fixed inductor so the braking is always the same. Makes a great pitching or skipping spool. I swap all my sv spool inductor springs out for a stiffer one. It's fixes the issue with stuck inductors and also really wakes the spool up since in stock form it's meant to be very controlled. There's also the magnet in the sideplate. Some reels seem to have a stronger magnet in it though not totally confirmed I don't think. That's why you can swap 2 different sv spools into the same reel and they'll both perform differently. That combination of every I mentioned makes them act different.

Heres an example of what I'm saying. Pic 1 - SV inductor length differences. Pic 2/3 - 1st gen Steez 103 vs 100 spool inductor tapers. Pic 4 - Zpi fixed inductor. 

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@rippin-lips with the W! 

 

See I would have never known any of that as a regular consumer. All I see is SV slapped on a A7075 spool. Ok so the SV concept is shallow spool, plus inductor, plus inductor spring, and in some cases something to do with magnets. All this and nothing to do with materials. After all it is only $20 more MSRP over the CT Type R. 

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6 hours ago, rippin-lips said:

Daiwa uses different spool materials on a lot of their spools. Even ones that seem identical. Take the Steez SV103 and the SV103 'zillion' for example. Both use the same spool except one is G1 and the other A7075. The Steez spool is a touch lighter and the material is supposed to be stronger. As far as SV spools go, it's all in the inductor and spring, or air brake as they call it. The inductor comes out and also twists. Some have different length inductors and also some of them seem to be a little thinner too. Other Daiwa spools it just moves in and out. With any of their aftermarket spools like the Zpi,RCS,hlc,tdz R+,1st gen Steez 103 and the 1st gen Steez 100, and so on. It's all a combination of the inductor and spring. The taper of it and length all play a part in the braking. You can change the braking profile of any spool by messing with the inductor spring. Zpi spools have a fixed inductor so the braking is always the same. Makes a great pitching or skipping spool. I swap all my sv spool inductor springs out for a stiffer one. It's fixes the issue with stuck inductors and also really wakes the spool up since in stock form it's meant to be very controlled. There's also the magnet in the sideplate. Some reels seem to have a stronger magnet in it though not totally confirmed I don't think. That's why you can swap 2 different sv spools into the same reel and they'll both perform differently. That combination of every I mentioned makes them act different.

Heres an example of what I'm saying. Pic 1 - SV inductor length differences. Pic 2/3 - 1st gen Steez 103 vs 100 spool inductor tapers. Pic 4 - Zpi fixed inductor. 

clxpAe.jpg

0TasMg.jpg

WvK0MU.jpg

NAlD0h.jpg

 

   @rippin-lips  Daiwa spool materials knowledge level ~ MASTER.

:smiley:

A-Jay

 

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7 hours ago, rippin-lips said:

Daiwa uses different spool materials on a lot of their spools. Even ones that seem identical. Take the Steez SV103 and the SV103 'zillion' for example. Both use the same spool except one is G1 and the other A7075. The Steez spool is a touch lighter and the material is supposed to be stronger. As far as SV spools go, it's all in the inductor and spring, or air brake as they call it. The inductor comes out and also twists. Some have different length inductors and also some of them seem to be a little thinner too. Other Daiwa spools it just moves in and out. With any of their aftermarket spools like the Zpi,RCS,hlc,tdz R+,1st gen Steez 103 and the 1st gen Steez 100, and so on. It's all a combination of the inductor and spring. The taper of it and length all play a part in the braking. You can change the braking profile of any spool by messing with the inductor spring. Zpi spools have a fixed inductor so the braking is always the same. Makes a great pitching or skipping spool. I swap all my sv spool inductor springs out for a stiffer one. It's fixes the issue with stuck inductors and also really wakes the spool up since in stock form it's meant to be very controlled. There's also the magnet in the sideplate. Some reels seem to have a stronger magnet in it though not totally confirmed I don't think. That's why you can swap 2 different sv spools into the same reel and they'll both perform differently. That combination of every I mentioned makes them act different.

Heres an example of what I'm saying. Pic 1 - SV inductor length differences. Pic 2/3 - 1st gen Steez 103 vs 100 spool inductor tapers. Pic 4 - Zpi fixed inductor. 

clxpAe.jpg

0TasMg.jpg

WvK0MU.jpg

NAlD0h.jpg

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1 hour ago, A-Jay said:

 

   @rippin-lips  Daiwa spool materials knowledge level ~ MASTER.

:smiley:

A-Jay

 

Lmaoooo

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3 hours ago, dam0007 said:

@rippin-lips with the W! 

 

See I would have never known any of that as a regular consumer. All I see is SV slapped on a A7075 spool. Ok so the SV concept is shallow spool, plus inductor, plus inductor spring, and in some cases something to do with magnets. All this and nothing to do with materials. After all it is only $20 more MSRP over the CT Type R. 

They have a shallow version and deeper version. Though it's only like 10-15 yards more line. It's all in the inductor and spring combo really. The material doesn't matter as far as making it an sv spool though. 

3 hours ago, A-Jay said:

 

   @rippin-lips  Daiwa spool materials knowledge level ~ MASTER.

:smiley:

A-Jay

 

I only mentioned 2 materials though. A7075 and G1 haha

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Dont use your own ignorance as an escape goat to criticize Daiwa

 

 

 

 

:ph34r:

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7 hours ago, rippin-lips said:

They have a shallow version and deeper version. Though it's only like 10-15 yards more line. It's all in the inductor and spring combo really. The material doesn't matter as far as making it an sv spool though. 

I only mentioned 2 materials though. A7075 and G1 haha

What's the material of the inductor?

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1 hour ago, dam0007 said:

What's the material of the inductor?

No idea but it seems like aluminum. 

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Do the materials or what combination of parts and pieces they put together really matter?  Diawa keeps improving technology in their high end reels and then shares it with the less expensive models as well.  Kudos for bringing the customer a great reel at an affordable price.  So far, I love casting all 7 Diawa reels I own, from the Exceler to my Type Rs and my CTs.

If by some magic combination they have shed some weight, and created a reel that will skip better and handle lighter baits then it will be a success.  To be fair, not all of their offerings have been huge successes, happily more are than not.  We probably need to wait till some "reel gurus"  actually get these reels in their hands before we criticize or praise them.

i look forward to some real time reviews, but since we are only in the PRE-ORDER stage I believe it is too early!!

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So I emailed Daiwa on this and they replied back confirming that next month they will release a Tatula SV TWS reel and here are the specs:

 

TWS long cast system

A7075 Aircraft Grade Aluminum SV spool

Aluminum Frame

Capacity- 14lb 100 yds

13.2lb UTD drag

90mm handle

6.3, 7.1, and 8.1 gear ratios

2CRBB+5BB + 1RB

MSRP $199.99

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4 hours ago, Montanaro said:

Dont use your own ignorance as an escape goat to criticize Daiwa

 

 

 

 

:ph34r:

 

I've followed his uninformed conclusions on more than one forum, and this is gold. 

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This thread has me sitting on pins in needles

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4 hours ago, Montanaro said:

This thread has me sitting on pins in needles

har har :wink3:  knew I couldn't be the only one!

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Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, there is no statue of limitations on what Daiwa can brand and market with their SV spool.

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I love how spool specific Daiwa is. Makes it easy to choose a reel for your intended purpose. As RL stated, the air brake combing a rotor that moves both in, out, and rotates is pure magic. I love SV spools and think they're the greatest thing since sliced bread. Not to mention the incredible fun you can have swapping different SV spools, both Daiwa and SLP Works branded. Putting them in different reels that have lesser or greater magnectis power and till you reach that point of pure bliss. The Tatula SV TW is going to sell like hotcakes. So much reel and versatility for 200 bucks. 

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20 hours ago, reason162 said:

 

I've followed his uninformed conclusions on more than one forum, and this is gold. 

How is it a conclusion if someone posts questions. We're all here to share information. 

8 hours ago, Hogsticker said:

I love how spool specific Daiwa is. Makes it easy to choose a reel for your intended purpose. As RL stated, the air brake combing a rotor that moves both in, out, and rotates is pure magic. I love SV spools and think they're the greatest thing since sliced bread. Not to mention the incredible fun you can have swapping different SV spools, both Daiwa and SLP Works branded. Putting them in different reels that have lesser or greater magnectis power and till you reach that point of pure bliss. The Tatula SV TW is going to sell like hotcakes. So much reel and versatility for 200 bucks. 

Yeah man if this performs anything close to the Zillion SV, retailers will struggle keeping it in stock. 

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@rippin-lips hey off topic but do you know if the size of the lip on the edge of the spool matters? Example: my JDM Tats have a shallower spool than my USDM Tats. Say I want extra spools for my JDM reels. The US spool has a much smaller lip putting the side of the spool closer to the housing. Obviously I can't see in there while spool is on but I wonder if I tighten cast control that this little nub touches the wall of the spool. Don't want to damage a spool to find out. 

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It should be fine. That's something I've never heard of happening. If the spools are the same size then they're usually interchangeable with other Daiwa reels. You can put one in and just slowly turn the handle. You'll know right away if it's not gonna work. 

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3 hours ago, dam0007 said:

How is it a conclusion if someone posts questions. We're all here to share information. 

 

This is from your opening post:

 

On 2/16/2017 at 11:22 AM, dam0007 said:

So basically what I'm getting at is the new model is a type r shallow spool with a SV logo???? Seems to me as a pure marketing thing.

 

And here's what you wrote in another forum re the Tat SV: 

 

"Just seems to me it's more marketing than anything else at this point."

 

You drew conclusions based on erroneous information before you even received answers to your question. 

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1 hour ago, reason162 said:

 

This is from your opening post:

 

 

And here's what you wrote in another forum re the Tat SV: 

 

"Just seems to me it's more marketing than anything else at this point."

 

You drew conclusions based on erroneous information before you even received answers to your question. 

So my opinion of them using the same spool material with 2 different logos, marketing, is a "end all conclusion", while still searching out the information to affirm or change my opinion???? Rippin Lips and others contributed to the post and you're trolling for what??? 

 

End of story the spool is the same material, 2 different logos in play, both fact, then through a contributor to the forum we discovered the inductor and spring is what is making the difference, also fact. 

 

 

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