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So I've been throwing the Rage toad more and more.  Many times it ends up on its back on not on its belly.  I've been using a 5/0 and 6/0 Owner CPS hooks.  I started using belly weights hooks (1/8oz) which helps a lot, but would prefer to not using the weighted hooks if possible.  I don't think Owner makes a 6/0 1/8oz beast hook.  Sometimes I feel I have to reel it to fast with the extra weight (although that could be my imagination).

 

Thoughts?  Any I not rigging it straight, etc?  @Big-O

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I've had the same problem. Some do and some don't. I never liked weighted hooks. You might try the 2 pronged frog hooks. 

 

Rage Toad is bar none one of the best topwater lures ever IMHO. 

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5 minutes ago, tcbass said:

I've had the same problem. Some do and some don't. I never liked writhed hooks. You might try the 2 pronged frog hooks. 

 

Rage Toad is bar none one of the best topwater lures ever IMHO. 

 

I use those hooks also and never had them roll once you get it up. 

Try it 

 

 

 

 

 

Mike

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@Mike L and @tcbass are you still able to skin hook the points with the 2 hooks?

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55 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Note the bend in the rigging diagram.

 

http://www.ragetail.com/news/rigging-info/

 

Might be some of my issue, I will be cognizant of that and try to rig with a more belly down head up approach.  

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1 hour ago, Dypsis said:

@Mike L and @tcbass are you still able to skin hook the points with the 2 hooks?

 

Dypsis

Yes you can but it depends on the size you use. With a single EWG use a 5/0, the double I use a 5/0 or 6/0 which makes it easier. 

You would think the 6/0 would be too big but it's really not. 

 

 

 

Mike

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1 hour ago, Dypsis said:

 

Might be some of my issue, I will be cognizant of that and try to rig with a more belly down head up approach.  

 

I'll have to pay more attention to mine as well.  I have a bag of Ribbits and I love the action, but I cant get it to stop flipping over.  Really aggravates me to the point that I took them out of my bag so as to not bother annoying myself more.  I was going to take a double hook out of a hollow body frog to and try it that way, but I'll try keep a bow to the belly.  Im not sure how it'll make a difference, its not diving, just rolling over, but its worth a shot

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Ribbits are a little fussier than Rage Toads, in my experience.  I've had no issues when one wasn't perfectly rigged and ran upside-down.  It's really more of a mental/confidence thing.

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I really haven't had issues using swimbait hooks with screwlocks on them.  If it does start running upside down and I notice it I'll stop my retrieve for a half second and it'll flip itself back over.  I've been using 3/16oz VMC hooks.

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I use the Ribits with a 3/0. They seem to run fine. I've caught fish on retrieves where they have flipped over for what it's worth.

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I fish a lot of these type of baits.

I think its just physics as to why these frogs flip over.

The bait is heavier than the hook, I have used 1/16 and 1/8 ounce belly hooks and my frogs kept flipping over.

I weighed the bait I was using at the time and it was slightly over a 1/4 oz.

It wasn't until I added a heavy belly hook did the bait run true every time.

However, that sounded like I was throwing a brick into the water every time it landed and i had to speed reel just to keep it afloat.

 

The best one that i have found for running true is the Keitech Noisy Flapper.

It seems as if the plastic is weighted at the bottom of the bait while the plastic at the top of the bait is not weighted.

Which allows it to run true most often and if not, a slight pause will allow it to turn right side up.

 

I tried the stanley double frog hooks and they did not seem to help with the flipping over.

I'm going to try the owner double frog hooks as they have a slightly different design.

 

The only problem when the frogs flip over is I end up tongue hooking every other one.

I have never had a tongue hooked bass survive in the livewell to make a weigh in.

Not sure what the chances are if released right away but I'd like to reduce my impact.

keitech-noisy-flapper.jpg

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I bought a bunch of Stanley ribbit double take hooks on clearance at DSG and it fixed the flopping over issue. The hooks are technically weightless, but compared to a standard EWG they are pretty heavy. 

 

It's more difficult to skin hook than when using an EWG. 

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