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3 hours ago, Further North said:

Good point about the size of the micros.  I know the ones on my St. Croix spinning rod are ultra-tiny, but could not say they are 2mm.  The rod is a Legend Xtreme from about three years back if that helps anyone.  It has zero problems with the 30# Suffix 832 and 8# Co-poly.

 

My BFS rig is a new Avid X, whatever size those guides are...again, zero problems with the 30# Suffix 832 and 8# Co-poly.

 

I have the leader tied on with FG knots on both those rods.

 

 

Not sure about how micro the guides are, but I have Avid X and a 2017 Legend Elite that also use micro guides and have very little trouble with uni-to-uni connections using 30# 832 to #8 - 12# Hybrid.  The only micro guide rod that I have that gives me some trouble is my one remaining Rage, and even that isn't too bad.  The FG really seems like the ideal knot, but it also seems like a knot that'll take me 10 minutes to retie on the water if need be, so in the practical world of cost-benefit analysis, I've stuck with the Uni and still enjoy good castability and knot strength.  I think any reasonably slim connection knot works, but the ability to tie it well is probably the most important thing, regardless of guide size.  

 

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10 hours ago, MickD said:

If your rig casts long enough without going to really small guide sizes, then there is no need to, or no priority in using them.

Totally agree, Mick. ;)

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On 10/17/2017 at 1:48 AM, Turkey sandwich said:

The FG really seems like the ideal knot, but it also seems like a knot that'll take me 10 minutes to retie on the water if need be...

For me, the trick to the FG was to tie a lot of them.

 

I would guess that...exclusive of getting out the new leader and whatever hardware I am going to tie to the end of the leader...i can do one in about 5 minutes on the boat.

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try the improved alberto, the fg is getting beatup coming in the first guide at a 90 angle.  fg knot once its tightened properly it gets this like 3/4" stiff portion of line, the alberto is more compact and just a bit wider.  if that fails, try a dark 20# braid with no leader.

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On 10/17/2017 at 1:48 AM, Turkey sandwich said:

Not sure about how micro the guides are, but I have Avid X and a 2017 Legend Elite that also use micro guides and have very little trouble with uni-to-uni connections using 30# 832 to #8 - 12# Hybrid.  The only micro guide rod that I have that gives me some trouble is my one remaining Rage, and even that isn't too bad.  The FG really seems like the ideal knot, but it also seems like a knot that'll take me 10 minutes to retie on the water if need be, so in the practical world of cost-benefit analysis, I've stuck with the Uni and still enjoy good castability and knot strength.  I think any reasonably slim connection knot works, but the ability to tie it well is probably the most important thing, regardless of guide size.  

 

You've got my wheels turning...

 

One of the rods I've been using is a Rage...but I'm running 50# braid to 30# Tyger Leader over an FG knot...and I'm throwing some...unique...baits at toothy fish...keep in mind the difference between the FG and other knots as line and leader diameter increase...

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Blood knot to braid issues with micro guides...Do these other knots help? I have always used the blood knot and didnt think about micro guide applications. I think the blood knot, from my experience, would work - if tied correctly.

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