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I'd like some help on choosing a new jig rod for pitching. I live in the White River chain so I don't fish heavy grass. I'm trying to decide between a 7'3" MHF Veritas (new) or 7'3" Dobyns Fury HF.  Any help is greatly appreciated!

 

Also, does anyone have experience with the new handle on the Veritas? Is it as good as the 2.0?

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I have owned several Veritas rods and they are okay. They do not come close to the way the Dobyns Fury will handle. I would go with that FR 734C.  That is a super versatile stick for the money. 

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I've got rods from both lineups, although not the exact models you're looking at. The Fury would get my vote of the two. The Veritas are fine rods if you get a good deal on them, but they're not great for full price. 

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I own 2 Veritas crankbaits rods, they were an excellent value on sale, and since they're crankbaits rods, I don't mind that they aren't ridiculously sensitive.  However, I think that since a jig rod is best judged on it's ability to allow you to feel everything, I'd spend a little bit more.  I'm not familiar with the Further, but it's a popular rod here, as are the current Mojo Bass and Tatula (which can both be had for under $150 new).  If you catch them updating the series, Fenwick will also discount Atos rods to $100 or less.

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I would take the fury.

 

I've never been a fan of Abu rods (except the ike series rods, I have one for my jerkbait rod) they always seem so stiff to me and the trigger on the veritas is always catching my finger every time I hold one.

 

Dobyns can go toe to toe with any rod out there if your comparing a similar price point Dobyns to anything else it seems more and more peoe are choosing Dobyns. I wasn't a believer until last year I bought a few furys and a champion xp... never looked back. For the money compared to what your getting Dobyns is the top dog in my opinion

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Would the 734C be heavy enough for all purpose jig pitching? I know they tend to be a bit on the light side. Seems the veritas is out. I have a 7’6” 2.0 veritas I’ll use for football jigs and deeper stuff. It’s too long for pitching for me. Thanks all.

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That 734 will work fine for jigs up to about 3/4  plus the typical trailer.  If you give me an e-mail at fishnkamp@gmail.com I will give you a bit more in depth info. 

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On 12/30/2017 at 10:05 PM, fishnkamp said:

That 734 will work fine for jigs up to about 3/4  plus the typical trailer.  If you give me an e-mail at fishnkamp@gmail.com I will give you a bit more in depth info. 

@fishnkamp I need to pick you brain on jig rods, you seem to be pretty well versed on the Dobyns line. There's one local shop that's close to me (40minutes) that carrys the entire line up. Otherwise I'm using a few different forums/YT to gather info.

 

I need to buy 2 rods - trick is they need to be versatile. I fish with 3 others 95%, so I can't have a ton of rods on deck. I already have a 7' MM (ike delay) crankbait rod paired with a Tatula 100P 5.5.1 which I could also use for jerkbaits. I have a spinning set up that needs a new rod, my AG Vendetta snapped on dinky Northern - I'll be using that for drop-shot and shaky head applications. For my next 2 step ups, I'm looking at adding a 6.3.1 and a 7.3.1 or 8.3.1 tatula CT reels. But I'm stumped on what I should select for a jigging rod then what that 3rd rod might look like. I primarily throw small to medium hard swimbaits (less than 1.5oz), hollow body frogs, spinnerbaits, and a variety of wake/topwater baits.

 

For jigging, I'm looking to stay in the 3/8-5/8oz swim, casting and football jigs - I might be getting greedy but hopefully I can chatter/spin bait on this rod too. In general I was thinking of a Fury 704c, 734c or 735c. I keep reading the 735c might be too powerful on that lighter jig 3/8oz and the 734c might be too light for the 1/2oz jig and up.

 

Budget comes first, I won't be spending more than the Fury. I've alos considered the Colt series, specifically the 734c ($119CDN) for jigging but I'm concerned about the sensitivity because it's entry level.

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If by the White river chain you mean Beaver/Bull shoals and Table rock your not going to do much pitching unless the water is up in the bushes or your flipping docks. Really, you going to need a rod for 5/16 finesse jigs and something to drag 1/2 -3/4 oz. football heads.

We do more dragging than flipping or pitching. I'm not a big Dobyns fan but of those 2 choices I would go with the Fury.

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1 hour ago, Dangerfield said:

@fishnkamp I need to pick you brain on jig rods, you seem to be pretty well versed on the Dobyns line. There's one local shop that's close to me (40minutes) that carrys the entire line up. Otherwise I'm using a few different forums/YT to gather info.

 

I need to buy 2 rods - trick is they need to be versatile. I fish with 3 others 95%, so I can't have a ton of rods on deck. I already have a 7' MM (ike delay) crankbait rod paired with a Tatula 100P 5.5.1 which I could also use for jerkbaits. I have a spinning set up that needs a new rod, my AG Vendetta snapped on dinky Northern - I'll be using that for drop-shot and shaky head applications. For my next 2 step ups, I'm looking at adding a 6.3.1 and a 7.3.1 or 8.3.1 tatula CT reels. But I'm stumped on what I should select for a jigging rod then what that 3rd rod might look like. I primarily throw small to medium hard swimbaits (less than 1.5oz), hollow body frogs, spinnerbaits, and a variety of wake/topwater baits.

 

For jigging, I'm looking to stay in the 3/8-5/8oz swim, casting and football jigs - I might be getting greedy but hopefully I can chatter/spin bait on this rod too. In general I was thinking of a Fury 704c, 734c or 735c. I keep reading the 735c might be too powerful on that lighter jig 3/8oz and the 734c might be too light for the 1/2oz jig and up.

 

Budget comes first, I won't be spending more than the Fury. I've alos considered the Colt series, specifically the 734c ($119CDN) for jigging but I'm concerned about the sensitivity because it's entry level.

 

The 735c handles 3/8 fine. I use my 735c for frogs and 3/8 or heavier jigs. Keep in mind the trailer adds a little bit of weight too. As stated on the website, the 735c is geared for flipping and pitching. If you're dragging football jigs, 734c all the way. If you're flipping and pitching cover, especially heavier cover, 735c.

Also not a fan of Veritas. I maybe used them once a long time ago, but handling them at the store they just feel too stiff.  

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23 minutes ago, th365thli said:

 

The 735c handles 3/8 fine. I use my 735c for frogs and 3/8 or heavier jigs. Keep in mind the trailer adds a little bit of weight too. As stated on the website, the 735c is geared for flipping and pitching. If you're dragging football jigs, 734c all the way. If you're flipping and pitching cover, especially heavier cover, 735c.

Also not a fan of Veritas. I maybe used them once a long time ago, but handling them at the store they just feel too stiff.  

I think I'm leaning towards the 734c, I just saw the sample/refurbished section on the dobyns website. I might go to a Savvy Micro 734C or 705c for the value. It seems it would be complimentary to have a FR704 and a FR735 or a FR734 and SSM705. What reel speed do you reco for the jig rod for 7.3.1?

 

I've also heard good things about Okuma TCS line, they have a frog/swimbait rod that might fill my other needs.
 

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Lets back up a bit before we go forward.  I am looking at what you already have first.

I like your choice of the Ike Delay rod for cranks, and jerks.  It is only a 7 footer so you will find it works best with small to mid sized cranks, square bills, even some jerkbaits and rattle traps.  You may want to eventually swap that 5.5 reel to a 6.1 to 6.3-1 reel.  The 5 to 5.5-1 reels really shine when you are throwing crankbaits that run over 20 foot deep and that requires LONG casts so it usually takes a 7'9 to 8 foot long rod.  I do not mean your combo won' work as an all purpose rig but you may find the 6.X-1 works better.  I run a Tatula 6,3-1 on my Ike jerkbait rod. my 3 crankbait/trap rods and my 6 ft BPS Extreme rod I use when fishing soft swimbaits like Skinny Dippers and Keitechs and my spinnerbait setup. Realize I fish with over 12 rods under my deck and so some of my rigs are specialized.

  

You had a spinning combo you liked but need a replacement rod. For general finesse purposes, and to keep the price down, I would consider a rod like the Dicks Sporting Goods Quantum Escalade 6'6" medium. It is an IM8 rod that retails for $99.00, but is almost always on sale for $49.00.  Another good option is a Berkley Lightning Shock rod. I fish with some very expensive rods but also one of each of these rods.

 

You never mentioned what the other rod was that you already fish with so lets consider the two needs you are looking to fill.  I believe the Dobyns 734C is as versatile a rod as you are going to find for throwing many baits. It will easily handle your lighter jigs fishing (jigs up to 3/4 plus a trailer), baits like a Stanley Ribbit, which fits in a category of baits referred to as horny toads

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These baits are very pliable plastic and get rigged most often with either a single texas rig or a special dual frog hook like this one.  This is much different than the typical hollow bodied frog and the rod used to fish them are different.  The 734 will throw spinnerbaits, chatterbaits, even some small to mid sized topwaters well.  That is a lot of versatility. i would match it with a reel like a Daiwa Tatula CT in the 6.3-1 ratio.

 

My next rod choice would be the Fury FR 735C.  It will handle your pitching, flipping, carolina rigging, and it is one of Gary's favorite actions for fishing hollow bodied frogs. My personal situation only allows me to fish with 7 foot rods as that is all I can fit in my rod box. So I fish a Dobyns Champion 705C and it makes a great frog rod, but I also throw bigger heavier jigs in deep water as well as I use it as a pitching rod. My combo has a Tatula Type R 8-1 on it but you could go a with a Tatula CT in either 7.3 or 8-1.

 

Just to throw a few monkey wrenches in here, I also like the Powell Inferno 6'10 medium spinning rod. Check out an Irod Genesis II Fred's Magic Stick. It is a IRG 754 but it i also available for a little less money in the Fiber series. Same basic blank and action, just a bit less expensive components. 

 

 

 

This may sound funny but I would stay with the Fury series rather than the Savy series. 

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9 minutes ago, fishnkamp said:

 

 

 

 

This may sound funny but I would stay with the Fury series rather than the Savy series. 

@fishnkamp

What's the reason for that? I was thinking about getting a 702S in the Savvy series. Is there really not enough difference to warrant the cash between it & the Fury? 

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12 minutes ago, fishnkamp said:

Lets back up a bit before we go forward.  I am looking at what you already have first.

I like your choice of the Ike Delay rod for cranks, and jerks.  It is only a 7 footer so you will find it works best with small to mid sized cranks, square bills, even some jerkbaits and rattle traps.  You may want to eventually swap that 5.5 reel to a 6.1 to 6.3-1 reel.  The 5 to 5.5-1 reels really shine when you are throwing crankbaits that run over 20 foot deep and that requires LONG casts so it usually takes a 7'9 to 8 foot long rod.  I do not mean your combo won' work as an all purpose rig but you may find the 6.X-1 works better.  I run a Tatula 6,3-1 on my Ike jerkbait rod. my 3 crankbait/trap rods and my 6 ft BPS Extreme rod I use when fishing soft swimbaits like Skinny Dippers and Keitechs and my spinnerbait setup. Realize I fish with over 12 rods under my deck and so some of my rigs are specialized.

  

You had a spinning combo you liked but need a replacement rod. For general finesse purposes, and to keep the price down, I would consider a rod like the Dicks Sporting Goods Quantum Escalade 6'6" medium. It is an IM8 rod that retails for $99.00, but is almost always on sale for $49.00.  Another good option is a Berkley Lightning Shock rod. I fish with some very expensive rods but also one of each of these rods.

 

You never mentioned what the other rod was that you already fish with so lets consider the two needs you are looking to fill.  I believe the Dobyns 734C is as versatile a rod as you are going to find for throwing many baits. It will easily handle your lighter jigs fishing (jigs up to 3/4 plus a trailer), baits like a Stanley Ribbit, which fits in a category of baits referred to as horny toads

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These baits are very pliable plastic and get rigged most often with either a single texas rig or a special dual frog hook like this one.  This is much different than the typical hollow bodied frog and the rod used to fish them are different.  The 734 will throw spinnerbaits, chatterbaits, even some small to mid sized topwaters well.  That is a lot of versatility. i would match it with a reel like a Daiwa Tatula CT in the 6.3-1 ratio.

 

My next rod choice would be the Fury FR 735C.  It will handle your pitching, flipping, carolina rigging, and it is one of Gary's favorite actions for fishing hollow bodied frogs. My personal situation only allows me to fish with 7 foot rods as that is all I can fit in my rod box. So I fish a Dobyns Champion 705C and it makes a great frog rod, but I also throw bigger heavier jigs in deep water as well as I use it as a pitching rod. My combo has a Tatula Type R 8-1 on it but you could go a with a Tatula CT in either 7.3 or 8-1.

 

Just to throw a few monkey wrench in here, I also like the Powell Inferno 6'10 medium spinning rod.  

 

 

 

This IS great! Exactly the type of response I was hoping to get many thanks @fishnkamp

 

being in Canada, we don't have the same offerings at Cabelas or BPS that you might see. I'm lucky I live relatively close to Cabelas, there's 2 in Canada. BPS is 40 minutes away, not as easy to sneak away from the wife and kid for an hour. I got on the Dobyns kick from a popular YouTube duo. I've seen others recommend the refurb/sample section on their site and I might purchase from their to get a nice discount on more expensive gear. The refurb/rep sample Savvy's are on par with a new Fury.

 

What do you think of the Fury 734C and Savvy Micro 705c as a combo? Or would you think the Fury 704c and a Fury 735c would compliment each other better? Regarding the spinning rod, I was thinking about the Fenwick HMX but I will check out the Berkley Lighting Rod if it's at Cabela's. Shimano Sojourn I think is in the same category as the Lighting rod, I might look at those too.

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The Savvy series was Gary's entry level up until he designed a better blank and built the Fury rods. The Savvy rods used to be available in both a regular guide series and a micro guide series. Gary is not a fan of micro guides bit if that is what his customer wants then he will build it. The Fury series tapers are very similar to his Champion XP series rods. Obviously the Champ series has more expensive blanks material and components, but they fish very close to the same. I have a friend that fishes with 5 Fury's so I have been able to compare a few of his to my Champs.  The Savvy series was replaced by the Sierra series, it is a better blank and fills the need for some of his customers that prefer a slightly slower blank. I fish with 2 of those and love them as well.

 

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Just now, fishnkamp said:

The Savvy series was Gary's entry level up until he designed a better blank and built the Fury rods. The Savvy rods used to be available in both a regular guide series and a micro guide series. Gary is not a fan of micro guides bit if that is what his customer wants then he will build it. The Fury series tapers are very similar to his Champion XP series rods. Obviously the Champ series has more expensive blanks material and components, but they fish very close. I have a friend that fishes with 5 Fury's so I have been able to compare a few.  The Savvy series was replaced by the Sierra series, it is a better blank and fills the need for some of his customers that prefer a slightly slower blank. I fish with 2 of those and love them as well.

 

Thanks man. I screwed up though... I was looking at the 702s Sierra, not the Savvy. 

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hm I think I would be more interested in the Sierra 734c if that's the case. I really appreciate the background.

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What did you want your spinning rod to do. Most anglers prefer the 703S (spinning rod) in all series for fishing grubs, shakey heads, even drop shotting for bass.  Now if I was looking for a great river smallie rod to throw small grubs and small jigs then I would run to the 702S.  Remember most Dobyns run a bit lighter than they say, like a half step lighter in the spinning rods.

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8 minutes ago, optimator said:

@fishnkamp

What's the reason for that? I was thinking about getting a 702S in the Savvy series. Is there really not enough difference to warrant the cash between it & the Fury? 

I've only got one Dobyns rod and it is in neither of these lines.  I can only relay hearsay.  A few years ago you would have been run off the forum for saying anything bad about a Dobyns rod.  (At least some would have tried to run you off.)  It wasn't until a couple years after they came out that a few people started to admit that there were better options at that price point for sensitivity than the Savvy line.

 

Before I get flamed.....I love my Dobyns 704CB.  :teeth:  And would love to try a Fury and Sierra.

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Dangerfield please send me an email to fishnkamp@comcast.net. I would like to share some info offline.

Thanks,

Bob

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1 minute ago, fishnkamp said:

Dangerfield please send me an email to fishnkamp@comcast.net. I would like to share some info offline.

Thanks,

Bob

Will do! I greatly appreciate your time.

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new2BC4bass  As you know from my previous postings I am a fan of Dobyns rods, but freely admit there are lots of other rods out there and I enjoy them as well. I often suggest certain rods from certain companies like the Ike series rods, especially my jerkbait rod, and certain rods from Powell, Irod, Falcon, and G Loomis.  My experience with Dobyns is fairly short, 4 years compared to my 40 years total of fishing.  I have never held a Savvy, but I have fished with Fury, Sierra, and Champion XP series rods. I have handled many more than I have fished with, thanks to having a great local shop that stocked many of them.  I never expect a Fury spinning rod to compare in sensitivity to my G Loomis IMX spinning rods costing 3 times as much. I have to be honest here, but my wife's Sierra and mine are pretty close. I am very happy with them.  Anyway you are correct about each rod series has been improved over the years. Gary's dealers had been pushing for a rod series to be sold below the Fury line for many years. When he finally found a blank material HE determined cost effective and sensitive enough he began a process that took over 3 years before he released the Colt rod to compete in that sub $100 market. It is not just a "price" line of rods, he made sure it still met the standards of a Dobyns rod. 

 

By the way I believe I may be going in for my last foot surgery next week. If it is successful I am looking forward to getting you out on the Susqy Flats sometime this year. Of course it would be nice if winter would go away first! 

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1 hour ago, Dangerfield said:

I think I'm leaning towards the 734c, I just saw the sample/refurbished section on the dobyns website. I might go to a Savvy Micro 734C or 705c for the value. It seems it would be complimentary to have a FR704 and a FR735 or a FR734 and SSM705. What reel speed do you reco for the jig rod for 7.3.1?

 

I've also heard good things about Okuma TCS line, they have a frog/swimbait rod that might fill my other needs.
 

 

@fishnkamp has been fishing for longer than I've been alive, so I can only add to the wealth of information mentioned in this thread. 

In answer to your question, I like really fast reels. I'm currently slowly phasing out anything slower than a 7.1:1. People claim that super high speed reels lose out on torque and power. While that may be technically true, for the majority of applications I don't think it really matters. The tech nowadays is exceptional compared to in the past. For frogging and jigging I run 7.1:1 into the 8s. For frogs, you're making a ton of casts, working with the rod tip, and retrieving a lot to cast again. Then you gotta force that fish out of cover. I don't see any reason not to use as high speed as you can get. Same thing with jigs, I'm using the rod to work the bait, not the reel. A faster reel lets me retrieve the bait faster and to make another cast. All other things other being equal, more casts = more fish (how KVD fishes). In football jigging, my most used method, you're making long casts in deeper water. A fish has room to sometimes make a run toward your boat. A fast retrieve really helps me keep that fish pinned, otherwise that fish is faster than I can retrieve. 


For okuma vs dobyns, vs whatever, Most $100+ rods are going to be pretty good. I'm very very impressed with the fury series though. For the price point I don't think I've seen better. I used to look at the hardware specs of a rod but nowadays I look more at fit and finish. I believe raw material at that price point is all comparable nowadays. So things like how well the guides are installed, are all the guides straight, reel seat, and weight/balance. I just recently inspected a $150 rod at a store, looked down, and saw the tip was off center. Little things like this mean more to me than what reads on a marketing tag. That being said, to confuse you even further, I'm going to thrown in the Lew's Custom Speed Stick or Lew's Custom Speed Stick Lite series. Check out the Magnum Hammer in both series. They label it as an all purpose rod and it really is. I've caught fish on football jigs, texas rigs, chatterbaits, whatever on that rod. 

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I know this is an older thread but for what it's worth I threw jigs on a Veritas 2.0 7'3 MH/F last year.. it did ok for me, sensitivity was lacking as far as feeling what your jig is doing, but bites stood out well. Definitely not a traditional MH power, it's more like a Heavy and is stupid powerful.. while I mostly enjoyed it, I'll never own one again, too many better rods out there at the same price. 

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