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8 hours ago, Further North said:

One thing I see that I have a question about: It looks like the gunnels dip a bit as they head towards the bow...Am I seeing that accurately?

They might, but since the boat appears to sit tail-heavy in the water, it looks fine to me:

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It’s strange to me that none of the photos I’ve been able to find show the most unique feature of the boats, which is the shape of the aluminum hull. I’ve often thought, “Why doesn’t anyone make an aluminum hull in the same shape as a fiberglass hull?”

 

And, yes, I’m aware of the Tracker Avalanche.

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6 hours ago, PECo said:

They might, but since the boat appears to sit tail-heavy in the water, it looks fine to me:

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It’s strange to me that none of the photos I’ve been able to find show the most unique feature of the boats, which is the shape of the aluminum hull. I’ve often thought, “Why doesn’t anyone make an aluminum hull in the same shape as a fiberglass hull?”

 

And, yes, I’m aware of the Tracker Avalanche.

I've wondered the same thing.  I've always thought the reason aluminum wasn't made with the same hull as fiberglass was because the light weight would beat you silly going across the water.  Maybe I'm wrong.  I hope I am.  Vexus succeeding would only be good for all of us.  good competition is a good thing.

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PECo What exactly do you mean by:

1 hour ago, Obi_Wan said:

Why doesn’t anyone make an aluminum hull in the same shape as a fiberglass hull?”

Have you never heard of Express boats? They have been making a fiberglass style pad V hull for decades!  Maybe you are only familiar with the lower end of the aluminum boats produced today. Express has what the call their Hyper Lift hull, which is a step pad hull like a fiberglass boat.  Go check out this video.

 

 

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5 hours ago, fishnkamp said:

Have you never heard of Express boats?

My previous boat was an Xpress, so, yes, I’m familiar with them.

 

Although the Hyperlift hulls are better than the rest of the modified vees out there, they’re definitely not shaped like a fiberglass bass boat hull.

 

Nitro’s NVT hull is all curves. Xpress’ Hyperlift hull is all flat planes. I’d love to see the shape of the Vexus hull.

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16 hours ago, PECo said:

They might, but since the boat appears to sit tail-heavy in the water, it looks fine to me:

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It’s strange to me that none of the photos I’ve been able to find show the most unique feature of the boats, which is the shape of the aluminum hull. I’ve often thought, “Why doesn’t anyone make an aluminum hull in the same shape as a fiberglass hull?”

 

And, yes, I’m aware of the Tracker Avalanche.

It's tail heavy in that configuration...and might be OK...what about other motors?

 

...not there's anything wrong with a 150 G2...I think I'd enjoy that set-up a bunch...but how does it work when it's not butt-heavy?

9 hours ago, Obi_Wan said:

I've always thought the reason aluminum wasn't made with the same hull as fiberglass was because the light weight would beat you silly going across the water.  Maybe I'm wrong.  I hope I am.

I run an '05 aluminum hulled "bass boat" that certainly doesn't beat me silly going across the water.  Even on big water like Lake of the Woods, in a storm...with the throttle all the way to the stop...

 

No, it's not a typical aluminum bass boat, it's much more like the Lund Pro-V and is a virtual twin to the new Bass Hawk models from Crestliner...and, as above, I'd point folks at the Xpress boat line...Aluminum hulls seem to have gained an undeserved reputation based on a popular, not hardly all-encompassing hull type that seems to drive the lower end of the market...

 

Blinders work well for horses...not so much for people.  probably worth a step back from the edge, and re-evaluation.  It's kinda like making a decision on a modern car based on having one from the same company in the 70s or the 80s...the same criteria doesn't apply any more...

 

 

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On 3/17/2018 at 1:13 AM, fishnkamp said:

So stop with the bull poopy!

Seriously?  Rope it in.  The hull is of a completely different design than either Xpress Hyperlift or Tracker's mod-V.  You cannot mount Power Poles, since there is no room for the pumps.  The HP restrictions are due to lesser transom structures.  You'd have to do without the high end electronics, since they are not on the option list, then purchase and install them separately.  You're also paying for human welds, not machine.  All this adds up.  I wonder if the compartments open easily.  The Trackers in the show room were tough as nails to open.

On 3/17/2018 at 1:13 AM, fishnkamp said:

I remember when Phoenix first started making boats.

They were already making boats long before they were "Phoenix."  They founders worked for Stratos, and the hulls were from well regarded Bumble Bee line.  My friend has a new Phoenix 21, and it is one sweet boat.

 

https://www.bassresource.com/bass_fishing_123/phoenix_boats_07.html

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12 hours ago, PECo said:

My previous boat was an Xpress, so, yes, I’m familiar with them.

 

Although the Hyperlift hulls are better than the rest of the modified vees out there, they’re definitely not shaped like a fiberglass bass boat hull.

 

Nitro’s NVT hull is all curves. Xpress’ Hyperlift hull is all flat planes. I’d love to see the shape of the Vexus hull.

Up here in the north country we have NO Xpress dealers. I never see those boats in person.. anywhere. Kinda sad. I keep hearing people say how great they are and I've never seen one in person. It's weird how some boat brands never make up to the northern part of the country. Everyone up here LOVES Lund/Crestliner/Alumacraft deep V's and that's about it. 

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I think it's really because they're made in the south, and Lund/Crestliner in the North.

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17 hours ago, Further North said:

I run an '05 aluminum hulled "bass boat" that certainly doesn't beat me silly going across the water.  Even on big water like Lake of the Woods, in a storm...with the throttle all the way to the stop...

 

No, it's not a typical aluminum bass boat, it's much more like the Lund Pro-V and is a virtual twin to the new Bass Hawk models from Crestliner...and, as above, I'd point folks at the Xpress boat line...Aluminum hulls seem to have gained an undeserved reputation based on a popular, not hardly all-encompassing hull type that seems to drive the lower end of the market...

 

Blinders work well for horses...not so much for people.  probably worth a step back from the edge, and re-evaluation.  It's kinda like making a decision on a modern car based on having one from the same company in the 70s or the 80s...the same criteria doesn't apply any more...

 

 

I'm not wearing blinders.  I've been in more aluminum boats than fiberglass.  I know more people that have moved from aluminum to fiberglass than the other way.  I always hear two things.  1.  Its lighter, so the wind pushes us around more.  and 2. Is lighter and flat so it beats me to death in the chop.  Growing up we went from fiberglass to aluminum. The ride was rougher.  May not be today, but it was then and a light flat aluminum will ride rougher than fiberglass.

 

You're comparing two different designs.  a deep V aluminum will not ride the same as a mod v aluminum boat.  I'm aware of this and if I had all the money in the world to buy any boat I wanted, I would buy the Lund Pro V Bass 2075.  Polar Kraft also makes a different hull design that would ride well in choppy water.  

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2 hours ago, Obi_Wan said:

I'm not wearing blinders.  I've been in more aluminum boats than fiberglass.  I know more people that have moved from aluminum to fiberglass than the other way.  I always hear two things.  1.  Its lighter, so the wind pushes us around more.  and 2. Is lighter and flat so it beats me to death in the chop.  Growing up we went from fiberglass to aluminum. The ride was rougher.  May not be today, but it was then and a light flat aluminum will ride rougher than fiberglass.

 

You're comparing two different designs.  a deep V aluminum will not ride the same as a mod v aluminum boat.  I'm aware of this and if I had all the money in the world to buy any boat I wanted, I would buy the Lund Pro V Bass 2075.  Polar Kraft also makes a different hull design that would ride well in choppy water.  

The problem with the "typical", broad brush perception of aluminum boats...is that it ignores the non-typical aluminum boat.

 

My boat is somewhere between a deep-V and a mod-v...and it does not get pushed aorund in the wind, nor does it beat me up in the chop.

 

Not even close.

 

The Pro-V Bass, the new Bass Hawks, the old CMVs, Xpress boats (I think) and it sure looks like the new Vexus, along with some other aluminum hulls out there, don't deserve to get painted with the Mod-V brush...

 

One size doesn't fit all, and it sure seems like that's where most folks go, without pausing to think...

 

Just a perception...could be wrong...

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What I don't get is the name, Vexus  (Vex us)

 

vex
[veks]
VERB
  1. make (someone) feel annoyed, frustrated, or worried, especially with trivial matters.
    "the memory of the conversation still vexed him" ·
    synonyms: annoy · irritate · infuriate · anger · incense · inflame · enrage · irk · chagrin · exasperate · madden · pique · provoke · nettle · disturb · upset · perturb · discompose · put out · try ·
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16 hours ago, Further North said:

The problem with the "typical", broad brush perception of aluminum boats...is that it ignores the non-typical aluminum boat.

 

My boat is somewhere between a deep-V and a mod-v...and it does not get pushed aorund in the wind, nor does it beat me up in the chop.

 

Not even close.

 

The Pro-V Bass, the new Bass Hawks, the old CMVs, Xpress boats (I think) and it sure looks like the new Vexus, along with some other aluminum hulls out there, don't deserve to get painted with the Mod-V brush...

 

One size doesn't fit all, and it sure seems like that's where most folks go, without pausing to think...

 

Just a perception...could be wrong...

All mod v's aren't created equal. Like stated, some manufactures make some models of mod v's that have a pretty good "V" in the front.

Picture of a Polar Kraft 195 front below. Resembles the newer Tracker "Revolution Mod V" hull. Handles rough water well.

 

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10 hours ago, PolarKraft195Pro said:

All mod v's aren't created equal. Like stated, some manufactures make some models of mod v's that have a pretty good "V" in the front.

Picture of a Polar Kraft 195 front below. Resembles the newer Tracker "Revolution Mod V" hull. Handles rough water well.

 

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Yup.

 

...just one more reason why "broad brush" application of what some folks think they know about aluminum boats is wrong...

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Rough ride? Beat you to death? Huh 😉

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Catt said:

Rough ride? Beat you to death? Huh 😉

 

 

 

Nice clip - very nice rig.

But that's not "huge water" ~  Barely a 1 foot chop.

Clearly few rigs 'ride' well in actual huge water (meaning if the horizon is disappearing every 2 or 3 seconds), 

Just call if like it is.

A-Jay

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I used to take my 18-1/2 foot deep-vee out in six-foot swells. On those kind of days, I wouldn’t even leave the ramp in my 18-1/2 foot fiberglass bass boat.

 

That said, I don’t understand the direction of this discussion. Pi$$ing contests are dumb.

 

My ideal bass boat would have an aluminum hull in the shape of a good fiberglass bass boat hull. I like aluminum, because I think it has better characteristics for the way I use a boat. In other words, I tend to hit stuff. :blink:

 

I was hoping Vexus would offer that, but am not sure it does.

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1 hour ago, A-Jay said:

But that's not "huge water" ~  Barely a 1 foot chop.

Here's some Great Lakes action.  First are those 2 footers that are like 25' long.  They're rougher than they look.  Next is what can kick up in minutes.

 

 

 

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Here's some @A-Jay waves.

 

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10 hours ago, 12poundbass said:

Here's some @A-Jay waves.

 

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True - but I'm not launching the Lund in anything close to that ~

That's a ton of fun in the right rig though -  

:smiley:

A-Jay

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On 3/19/2018 at 8:32 PM, Further North said:

The problem with the "typical", broad brush perception of aluminum boats...is that it ignores the non-typical aluminum boat.

 

My boat is somewhere between a deep-V and a mod-v...and it does not get pushed aorund in the wind, nor does it beat me up in the chop.

 

Not even close.

 

The Pro-V Bass, the new Bass Hawks, the old CMVs, Xpress boats (I think) and it sure looks like the new Vexus, along with some other aluminum hulls out there, don't deserve to get painted with the Mod-V brush...

 

One size doesn't fit all, and it sure seems like that's where most folks go, without pausing to think...

 

Just a perception...could be wrong...

I guess I wasn't clear enough in the beginning with my comments.

 

 "I've always thought the reason aluminum wasn't made with the same hull as fiberglass was because the light weight would beat you silly going across the water.  Maybe I'm wrong.  I hope I am."

 

I have no beef with aluminum boats.  As a matter of fact a Lund Pro V Bass is what I consider the ideal boat for me.  I am very impressed with the PolarKraft boats and the XPress boats.  I am about to get a fiberglass boat knowing that I will eventually trade it for an aluminum boat.  I was trying to say what I hear and the "broad brush strokes" I've been told.  I said I hope I was wrong and I guess I am.

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Once we got past the bar, it looked like this.

 

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7 hours ago, Catt said:

Rough ride? Beat you to death? Huh 😉

 

 

 

Was waiting for the "rough water", but never seen it. Must have been deleted from video...:lol:

that there is a calm day on Lake Erie!

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Surprised nobody has posted these yet..  

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, A-Jay said:

True - but I'm not launch the Lund in anything close to that ~

That's a ton of fun in the right right tough -  

:smiley:

A-Jay

I see we have a difference of opinion on what fun is. 😂

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Yea I've heard all the talk about the Great Lakes & how rough they get & they do!

 

But none of y'all don't deal with boat lanes!

 

Every video shows the boat hitting the waves at the optimal angle something you can not do in boat lanes. 

 

This is what's under the surface of Toledo Bend, see that little green dot on top of the white pole? That's a buoy marker in the center of a boat lane running left to right in the picture. At normal water level those stumps are about even with your lower unit!

 

You stuck hitting waves at whatever angle the boat lanes run!

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