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So while it's too cold to fish, I'm playing barbie-doll house with my tackle. I have a couple reels with mono and fluoro that I spooled this summer. I recall snagging them both and pulled on them hard to get my lures back, ending up with either bent out hooks on the light wire stuff, or snapping the line (which happens most of the time).

 

My gut tells me that I probably stretched out 20-30 yards of line to the point where the line strength is reduced, and maybe I should remove that line to be safe.

 

What do you guys do? Use the line and take the risk, respool, or cut out the stretched line?

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I saw a study, and it's been talked about on here, about fluoro's inability to "snap back" after being streched so yes on cutting it back. I wouldn't worry about the mono. My 2 cents.

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10 minutes ago, Todd2 said:

I saw a study, and it's been talked about on here, about fluoro's inability to "snap back" after being streched so yes on cutting it back. I wouldn't worry about the mono. My 2 cents.

Do you recall the name of that study? I tried google and I mostly just see knot breaking tests with fluoro. 

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I think it may have been mentioned on TackleTour's reviews of flourocarbon lines.

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57 minutes ago, Junger said:

. I have a couple reels with mono and fluoro that I spooled this summer

 

I would have re-spooled 2 or 3 times since then.

 

I generally re-spool every other trip 😉

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4 minutes ago, Catt said:

 

I would have re-spooled 2 or 3 times since then.

 

I generally re-spool every other trip 😉

Do you re-spool every other trip based on personal preferences or because of a specific reason such as stretched line?

 

Curious because maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I only lost one fish on a hookset this year and it was on frayed line near the knot that I knew I should have re-tied.

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1 hour ago, new2BC4bass said:

I think it may have been mentioned on TackleTour's reviews of flourocarbon lines.

Yeah, that was it. 

 

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43 minutes ago, Junger said:

Do you re-spool every other trip based on personal preferences or because of a specific reason such as stretched line?

 

Curious because maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I only lost one fish on a hookset this year and it was on frayed line near the knot that I knew I should have re-tied.

 

You're fishing monofilament & fluorocarbon why would you not want it at 100%?

 

It's called peace of mind!

 

Lose a bass of a lifetime simply because I don't change my line!

 

I don't think so 😉

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16 minutes ago, Catt said:

 

You're fishing monofilament & fluorocarbon why would you not want it at 100%?

 

It's called peace of mind!

 

Lose a bass of a lifetime simply because I don't change my line!

 

I don't think so 😉

OK, that's what I'm kind of getting at in my original post. I may switch some of my rods to braid + long fluoro leader to keep that peace of mind too. Do you do full fluoro respools? That would be costly!

 

I think I found the Tackle Tour fluoro review and where it talks about elongation: http://www.tackletour.com/reviewfpiintropg2.html

 

They do not directly test a stretched fluoro line vs the original line breaking strength though.

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This should be good. I'm gonna put more butter on my pop corn and try to stay out of this one, it's gonna be hard...

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2 hours ago, Junger said:

Do you do full fluoro respools? That would be costly!

Initially, yes, but if you consider I have left both Tatsu and Invisx spooled on a reel, and in heavy use for up to four seasons, it's far less than regular nylon mono.

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I change out my mono about two to three times a year depending on the rod, but it's cheap, so change as often as you like. 

 

The #1 reason for line failure in my opinion is the knot....retie often and then some.

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@Junger At this present time I have one rod spooled with braid & one with Yo-Zuri Hybrid. Everything else is Berkley Big Game.

 

I haven't found a fluorocarbon I like but Seaguar Tatsu is next up.

 

I do a full re-spool everytime!

 

I do not do backing with braid; keep in mind I use 100 series reels or smaller. 

 

I do not use leaders with braid; I'm in heavy cover daily.

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2 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Initially, yes, but if you consider I have left both Tatsu and Invisx spooled on a reel, and in heavy use for up to four seasons, it's far less than regular nylon mono.

If you stretched out the fluoro, would you respool? I think Catt is saying he does a respool every other trip...doing a full respool every other trip for me would get out of hand cost wise!

 

3 minutes ago, Todd2 said:

I change out my mono about two to three times a year depending on the rod, but it's cheap, so change as often as you like. 

 

The #1 reason for line failure in my opinion is the knot....retie often and then some.

Same, I have 1200 yards of mono spools so I don't mind changing them out 2-3 times a year, but I only use mono on 2 reels...maybe I need to change that.

 

17 minutes ago, reason said:

This should be good. I'm gonna put more butter on my pop corn and try to stay out of this one, it's gonna be hard...

I can feel you twitching from 20910. :D

1 minute ago, Catt said:

@Junger At this present time I have one rod spooled with braid & one with Yo-Zuri Hybrid. Everything else is Berkley Big Game.

 

I haven't found a fluorocarbon I like but Seaguar Tatsu is next up.

 

I do a full re-spool everytime!

 

I do not do backing with braid; keep in mind I use 100 series reels or smaller. 

 

I do not use leaders with braid; I'm in heavy cover daily.

OK, that makes more sense...way more economical than straight fluoro. But yeah, I use mono on my popper rod and changed that out once this summer after I saw weird kinks in the line in the first 20 yards.

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8 minutes ago, Junger said:

If you stretched out the fluoro, would you respool?

No, I'd peel off 20 yards or so.  Typically this is not an issue with light lines like 6# since they break off quickly at the knot.  With heavier lines, I'm likely to use a lure knocker, or go over and get as close to snag before trying to break off.

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Y'all need understand I'm down South fishing every kind of vegetation & wood imaginable.

 

The average daily tournament stringers down here are 18-23 lbs with many going both sides of 30.

 

The weakest link is your line, either at the knot or anywhere up the line.

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48 minutes ago, Catt said:

The average daily tournament stringers down here are 18-23 lbs with many going both sides of 30.

Are they really usually only 18-23?  It takes that to win up here, on most lakes.

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My understanding is that an stretch and return of the line (elasticity) is not detrimental to the line and is normal behavior for mono lines.  It is the stretching of the line that causes the line to become elongated and smaller in diameter that damages the line.  A stretch on the line that does not return to its original shape (plasticity).  I've been told that monos exhibit elasticity as normal behavior at light loads and only stretch and break once the line is stretched to the point where the line deforms. Allegedly 100% flourocarbon lines have low elasticity and high plasticity meaning that they stretch and return less at light loads but are more easily stretched to a point where the line becomes elongated due to the higher plasticity of the polymer.  I'm sure in reality your mileage may vary but his is how I understand "momos" to be different from 100% flouro lines in regards to stretch.     

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51 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Are they really usually only 18-23?  It takes that to win up here, on most lakes.

Usually takes more than that in brown bass over this way . . .

A-Jay

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after I spool my mono I tie it to a fixed object and walk about half the spool off and stretch the line to reduce line twist and memory. Never had an issue. Can’t comment on fluoro since I don’t use it 

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1 hour ago, J Francho said:

Are they really usually only 18-23?  It takes that to win up here, on most lakes.

 

That's just to cut a check! 😉

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3 hours ago, Catt said:

@Junger At this present time I have one rod spooled with braid & one with Yo-Zuri Hybrid. Everything else is Berkley Big Game.

 

I haven't found a fluorocarbon I like but Seaguar Tatsu is next up.

 

I do a full re-spool everytime!

 

I do not do backing with braid; keep in mind I use 100 series reels or smaller. 

 

I do not use leaders with braid; I'm in heavy cover daily.

Tatsu is on sale as we speak at TW,

Tom

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3 hours ago, Catt said:

 

I haven't found a fluorocarbon I like but Seaguar Tatsu is next up.

 

Not to the Dark Side??? Where is Yoda when you need him....lol

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I told myself I wasn't gonna reply but....

 

I use Flouro for everything I throw except for 2 presentations. 

Honestly, I don't even think about respooling because the line may be stretched. 

 

I will if I kink it too far down the spool because I wasn't careful enough digging out a backlash or after many lure changes and the spool gets low. 

 

 

 

 

 

Mike

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