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I use an improved clinch knot, with braid I use a palomar.

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You can't go wrong with a Palomar knot, San Diego Jam, or Improved Clinch. The Palomar is the strongest, but if the eyelet is too small or your line is too big it can be tricky to tie. 

 

Make sure you're lubricating your knots too. 

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1 minute ago, hwright38 said:

eyelet is too small or your line is too big

Just stick the open end through, then back through.  

 

I like the improved clinch because it's so easy, I don't blow it and end up with a tangle, it's reliable in meeting its potential.  If it's potential is a little lower than my double uni then I know the line will break at the lure, and not at the double uni.

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5 minutes ago, MickD said:

Just stick the open end through, then back through.  

Try that on a size 20 wd-40 and get back to me lol. 

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There's very little, if anything, that's 'standard' in fishing.

 

I used the Improved Clinch for years until I finally tried tried the San Diego Jam test and I've been using it ever since. It's a little bit more complicated, but way more reliable, and once you get used to tying any knot, it's like riding a bicycle.

 

 

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28 minutes ago, fin said:

........ and once you get used to tying any knot, it's like riding a bicycle.

Why? Cause if you stop too quick you'll get thrown off?

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49 minutes ago, Scott F said:

Why? Cause if you stop too quick you'll get thrown off?

It's easier to do when sober, in daylight, and when you're younger.

 

Really it's not much like riding a bicycle at all, is it? I forget how to tie any knots I don't use all the time.

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The clinch or improved clinch knot was called the fishermans knot and considered "standard" when monofilament line was "standard" line used.

Palomar knot became widely used since the early '80's.

The Duncan knot was hijacked and now known as the Uni knot.

San Diego Jam knot is a popular FC line knot.

Today I would say the Palomar knot is easy to tie on hooks, clips and swivels and could be called a standard knot by today's bass snglers.

Take you pick, tied right they work good.

Tom

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4 hours ago, hwright38 said:

Try that on a size 20 wd-40 and get back to me lol. 

I don't know what a size 20 wd-40 is. lol

 

I just know that there are few instances when the eye of the lure is smaller than twice the diameter of the line/leader used.  I've never encountered that.  

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1 hour ago, MickD said:

I don't know what a size 20 wd-40 is. lol

 

I just know that there are few instances when the eye of the lure is smaller than twice the diameter of the line/leader used.  I've never encountered that.  

It's a fly pattern, and size 20 is pretty dinky (at least relative to the bass world). I encounter many instances where I'm using smaller hooks and bigger line, which may be my own fault but when it's what you've got it's what you've got. My point is that the Palomar knot is my personal go-to unless I physically can't tie it due to constraints in my gear (or cold fingers), which is a real possibility. Just putting all the cards on the table I guess.

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I thought so.  You don't need a palomar for a size 20 fly.  Use a non slip loop knot.  One time through the eye, and freedom to move.  I get the cold fingers and the big lure, and other things that make the palomar tough, and that is why I only use it for drop shot hooks.  Then I put the line through, and then put it through again.  🙂

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I like a Fish n Fool knot, uni knot, San Diego Jam, or Eugene Bend.  I will sometimes tie a Eugene bend and go through the eye twice like a Fish n fool.

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I use a palomar for virtually everything except frogs. I use a loop knot for frogs

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I gave up a different knot for different lines years and everything gets a uni whether it is overkill or not.  I never have a break off.

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On 6/29/2019 at 12:20 PM, hwright38 said:

You can't go wrong with a Palomar knot, San Diego Jam, or Improved Clinch. The Palomar is the strongest, but if the eyelet is too small or your line is too big it can be tricky to tie. 

 

Make sure you're lubricating your knots too. 

Why would it be tricky with a smaller hole? Unless you form the loop first and then try to insert the loop in a small diameter hole. I chuckle when I see people do this. Insert the line through the eyelet first then bring it back through the eyelet. That’s how I do it. I never create the loop first. Now if you meant it might be difficult because bad eyesight and small hooks don’t do well together,  that is true. 

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on my first cast fishing today I cast my big spinnerbait into a tree.

 

I had 14 pound test Sufix Siege tied on with a standard palomar knot and I couldnt get it to break off. i had to cut it. the palomar is a super strong knot and very easy to tie 

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I'd say if you were only going to learn one knot it should be the uni, after all it is universal for all line types and you can use it to tie leaders to mainline.  

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15 hours ago, Hulkster said:

on my first cast fishing today I cast my big spinnerbait into a tree.

 

I had 14 pound test Sufix Siege tied on with a standard palomar knot and I couldnt get it to break off. i had to cut it. the palomar is a super strong knot and very easy to tie 

Palomar knot with a spinner bait?!? Are we talking about the same knot? I love the palomar knot use for tying drop shot rigs. It is to difficult to tie with spinner bait and any bait with a treble hook for that matter. Another vote for the Uni for me. Tie it to your spool, line to line or any terminal tackle. One knot to rule them all! Ha! Ha! Ha! Sorry, seriously though, the best part about the Uni knot IMO it the way it finishes, no fussing, not adjusting. Just pull about 85-90% wet it and cinch it up to the eye. Just about perfect every time.

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1 hour ago, Bass Junke said:

Palomar knot with a spinner bait?!? Are we talking about the same knot? I love the palomar knot use for tying drop shot rigs. It is to difficult to tie with spinner bait and any bait with a treble hook for that matter.

I agree. Another problem I have with it is it leaves a long tag end, wasting a lot of my leader each time I retie. It's a good knot, simple to tie, but those other problems disqualify it for me.

 

Uni is a little bit awkward for my old eyes and fingers, but I use it for tying on skirts.

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4 hours ago, Bass Junke said:

Palomar knot with a spinner bait?!? Are we talking about the same knot? I love the palomar knot use for tying drop shot rigs. It is to difficult to tie with spinner bait and any bait with a treble hook for that matter. Another vote for the Uni for me. Tie it to your spool, line to line or any terminal tackle. One knot to rule them all! Ha! Ha! Ha! Sorry, seriously though, the best part about the Uni knot IMO it the way it finishes, no fussing, not adjusting. Just pull about 85-90% wet it and cinch it up to the eye. Just about perfect every time.

The problem for me with the Uni Knot is I memorize at home and retain on the trip to the lake and then when I do to tie it, like Vanish fluorocarbon, POOF! The memorization is gone.  Every time! So it's faster that I tie an improved clinch knot for spinnerbaits than to search it up on my smart phone. I also don't like to pull out my phone when fishing.  One of these days I'll get it. I use the double uni on occasion to join lines but it is always done at home in front of the PC, lol.

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I started messing with the Triline knot and the Orvis knot because the tag end points in the opposite direction from the Uni. Orvis knot on the tops Uni knot on the bottom. Made the tag ends all face away from direction of travel, cut down on picking up muck. At some point I realized that it does not make much difference so I just tie Uni knots now. 

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