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Had my 1st " Ned saves the day", day yesterday. 45 minutes of great fishing crammed into 4 hours. Tied on a Ned and caught 8 bass from dink to this years best fish of a hair over 5lbs. Started wondering why don't I throw this bait out of the gate, rather then waiting to salvage an otherwise lousy day. If the Ned is the "when all else fails" bait why not choose it sooner? Obviously, conditions help determine the baits we choose and I (we) all have our favorites. When do you pick up the Ned and what goes into that choice? 

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I had the same revelation when reading articles about 

last-ditch-to-save-the-day baits. Why use them as a 

last resort if they save the day? Why not make the day

more enjoyable and more productive, hence more fun?

 

I always have at least one Ned rig setup ready to go, 

also wacky and drop shot rigs. It's about what works

for me and what I'm generally confident with.

 

For me, fishing should be fun, enjoyable.

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Very simple the Ned rig is a finesse rig you present slower for less active bass.

Active bass may strike a slower moving finesse rig like drop shot, slip shot, dart & worm or Ned rig but they also strike jigs, T-rigs and faster moving larger size lures that catch bigger bass faster on average.

If finesse fishing is your go to method do it.  The majority of west coast tournament anglers always have a spinning finesse outfit and use them. Me, I resever finesse for down times when it's slow or I want to catch a few bass and can't remember ever starting a day using any finesse presentations, too wired and like make a few casts with bait casting lures.

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5 minutes ago, WRB said:

Very simple the Ned rig is a finesse rig you present slower for less active bass.

Active bass may strike a slower moving finesse rig like drop shot, slip shot, dart & worm or Ned rig but they also strike jigs, T-rigs and faster moving larger size lures that catch bigger bass faster on average.

If finesse fishing is your go to method do it.  The majority of west coast tournament anglers always have a spinning finesse outfit and use them. Me, I resever finesse for down times when it's slow or I want to catch a view bass and can't remember ever starting a day using any finesse presentations, too wired and like make a few casts with bait casting lures.

Tom

Tom, I'd love to spend a few days fishing with you!  I learn from your posts every day.  I can only imagine what I'd pick up just observing you in your element.  

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You just haven't drank the Kool-aid yet.  A real, true, genuine Ned fan throws the Ned in any circumstances, all the time.   The only other gear in the boat might be a spare Ned rig or 2 - but probably not what with frugality being part of the Ned ethos.

 

Not me, as a dedicated junk fisherman, I just can't do that.  My mental health requires that I have a multitude of rigs in the boat so that I can switch off quickly and not have to waste time retying baits.  Telling the truth, I generally have a Ned rig in the boat and I have had a few days when the Ned was the go to rig.  However, when I am marking and getting bit on fish at the thermocline in 12 to 20 feet of water, the Ned takes a long time to drop that deep.   And a, so  jika rig with a half ounce weight or so doesn't, so I go with that or a bubba drop shot, or a football jig

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Fishing is supposed to be about fun. For nearly everyone, nearly all the time, you spend a lot more time fishing than catching. If you enjoy power fishing more than finesse, start  the day doing what you like to do best. If it isn’t working, switch. I don’t like drop shotting, or fishing in thick weeds. I’ll only do those things, if I can’t catch fish doing what I like to do. Keep it fun. 

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I can almost always catch a bass on a crankbait.

 

So I throw a crankbait.  Active and inactive bass will bite if you do it right.

 

I can very quickly tell when the bass are inactive and if they are, where they are.  Then I go back through with senko or drop shot.

 

Starting with a ned or drop shot significantly limits your ability to diagnose fishing conditions.

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The ned works.  But if they're going on a topwater, why not use that instead?  Its a far more enjoyable way to catch a bass.

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Berkeley Power Bug is new Ike Ned soft plastic that floats, heads Ned nation.

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I can't manage to fish it without getting snagged and breaking off or bending out the hook. Any tips? I've seen people rig it like a shaky head on on a mushroom head.

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4 minutes ago, HoosierFisher said:

I can't manage to fish it without getting snagged and breaking off or bending out the hook. Any tips? I've seen people rig it like a shaky head on on a mushroom head.

Fish it faster, don’t let it drag the bottom. If there is a lot of wood, use a weedless jig head.

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18 minutes ago, HoosierFisher said:

I can't manage to fish it without getting snagged and breaking off or bending out the hook. Any tips? I've seen people rig it like a shaky head on on a mushroom head.

 

12 minutes ago, Scott F said:

Fish it faster, don’t let it drag the bottom. If there is a lot of wood, use a weedless jig head.

 

Agree with @Scott F, either fish it faster or use a weedless jig.

 

I have found in my waters that weedless heads are the best option.

So many snags and such. I've bought regular Z-Man hooks and made

them weedless, but prefer using Z-Man's own weedless jigs (for now).

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7 minutes ago, Darren. said:

 

 

Agree with @Scott F, either fish it faster or use a weedless jig.

 

I have found in my waters that weedless heads are the best option.

So many snags and such. I've bought regular Z-Man hooks and made

them weedless, but prefer using Z-Man's own weedless jigs (for now).

I also use the Z-Man weedless jig heads. I just wish they offered them in lighter weights.

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A couple of my favorite stretches of bank to fish are lined with rip-rap sloping from the bank to 4-6 ft. I lose very few heads to the rocks but like others have said, the key for me is to keep the bait moving fast enough to keep it from settling on the bottom. Sometimes going lighter with your jig head may be needed to help keep the bait up.

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I've reached the point in my fishing where I like taking fish on my terms most days. As such, 80% of my trips these past couple years have been with what is shown in the picture. In that pack I typically carry a pkg of Finesse WormZ, a half dozen TRDs or 1/2 ZinkerkZ, and a small assortment of mushroom heads (~6), wacky jig heads (~3), Slider heads (~3) and Shakey heads (~2). That pretty much covers the entire spectrum of everything I need to catch plenty of fish. I still have days and lakes I'll go out with jerkbaits, A-rigs, deep cranks, or whatever else I might want or need to throw, but those trips have become the exception.

 

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1 hour ago, Montanaro said:

I can almost always catch a bass on a crankbait.

 

So I throw a crankbait.  Active and inactive bass will bite if you do it right.

 

I can very quickly tell when the bass are inactive and if they are, where they are.  Then I go back through with senko or drop shot.

 

Starting with a ned or drop shot significantly limits your ability to diagnose fishing conditions.

Good point. Wasn’t really thinking about it that way but it makes sense. 

 

1 hour ago, gimruis said:

The ned works.  But if they're going on a topwater, why not use that instead?  Its a far more enjoyable way to catch a bass.

I agree. I’d rather catch with a frog than most other methods. I tend to get “stuck” on a technique when I’ve had a little success to the point of over fishing it when it might be time to switch up. The Ned is new to me as are a lot of techniques. Still learning. Thanks for the responses

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1 hour ago, Team9nine said:

I've reached the point in my fishing where I like taking fish on my terms most days. As such, 80% of my trips these past couple years have been with what is shown in the picture. In that pack I typically carry a pkg of Finesse WormZ, a half dozen TRDs or 1/2 ZinkerkZ, and a small assortment of mushroom heads (~6), wacky jig heads (~3), Slider heads (~3) and Shakey heads (~2). That pretty much covers the entire spectrum of everything I need to catch plenty of fish. I still have days and lakes I'll go out with jerkbaits, A-rigs, deep cranks, or whatever else I might want or need to throw, but those trips have become the exception.

 

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I like your survival kit here. What conditions determine whether you opt in for a slider vs a wacky or say a shakey vs mushroom style presentation etc etc when you initially approach a pond?

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10 hours ago, Scott F said:

Fishing is supposed to be about fun. For nearly everyone, nearly all the time, you spend a lot more time fishing than catching. If you enjoy power fishing more than finesse, start  the day doing what you like to do best. If it isn’t working, switch. I don’t like drop shotting, or fishing in thick weeds. I’ll only do those things, if I can’t catch fish doing what I like to do. Keep it fun. 

Nailed that...

 

I can't stand dropping a line over the side of the boat and sitting there, jigging or  drop-shotting, or trolling, or chucking huge baits...

 

There's nothing wrong with any of those things, but I can't do them and have fun.

 

 

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For what it’s worth I like to upsize my Ned rig set up to try and eliminate some of the dink’s. I use the power finesse heads From z-man and a Big Trd 100% of the time. Give me shallow cover and a heavy rod all day long as my first choice, but skipping a Big Trd under docks has gotten me several 4-5lb bass and trying to fight a big one out from under a dock with a spinning rod and light line really can get the heart pumping!!

 

Id much rather have her bite my jig or Texas rig but sometimes all they want is that big trd and I have zero shame about throwing it if I know there are fish around. I like to think I’m still “power fishing” just using a different rod. I’m fishing it just like a would a jig....cast to a target, let it sink, hop a few times, and when I feel like I’m out of the strike zone I swim it back to the boat with a few twitches here and there to impart some action. 

 

Anyways....the Ned rig is never the first bait I pick up, but if it’s working and I’m on a good pattern of quality fish I’ll keep it in my hand till the pattern changes 

 

 

 

 

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To me it’s depend what rod/reel I’m gonna fish with and where is my target area. If I take my finesse rod/reel then I’ll consider my bait for Ned Rig/ light shakey head (1/16) weightless worm or 3-4” senko and fish around shallow, rock/sandy/grass. If my target is deep and far out 30yds or more out, then I’ll take MH rod with either 3/8 jig/Texas rig or chatter bait. 

For those of you that get snag a lot, as other mentioned fish it faster(that how I fish it too) or softened your Zman before hand. The softer of Zman the more buoyancy it get thus less snag. I like half Zinkerz better in this case because TRD no matter what still not as soft, I even shortened my TRD more. I also order 1/20oz Zman head to try out too.

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10 hours ago, Dorado said:

I like your survival kit here. What conditions determine whether you opt in for a slider vs a wacky or say a shakey vs mushroom style presentation etc etc when you initially approach a pond?

Shakey is only ever used on bigger water, never in ponds, though I know guys who do well with it locally in hard bottomed (clean) pits. Mushroom is mostly around riprap or on hard bottom areas with little muck or weeds like in early spring while the water is still cold, though it can be a killer swim along weed lines later in the year. Slider and wacky jig head are nearly interchangeable, but Slider gets the nod when weedlessness comes into play or with long horizontal casts, while wacky jig head works almost anywhere, anytime. It’s especially suited for a slower presentation (fronts), when sight fishing bass in shallow water, spring time, or targeting isolated cover like just small clumps of weeds. 

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Nothing that I have to let sink and lightly hop around will ever be my first choice.  I'd like to first find out if they'll hit faster moving baits before that.

 

The Ned is not an option for me past mid May in most waters I fish. There's just too much grass to deal with that.

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I  cant find the place or time to fish a Ned rig . I used them  in  streams for smallies but reservoir fishing they are to slow to be fished in between cover and when I get to cover I'm surely not throwing one. Where do you guys like to use them ? Maybe its a clear water technique .

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12 minutes ago, scaleface said:

I  cant find the place or time to fish a Ned rig . I used them  in  streams for smallies but reservoir fishing they are to slow to be fished in between cover and when I get to cover I'm surely not throwing one. Where do you guys like to use them ? Maybe its a clear water technique .

In all honesty I very seldom use a ned rig on larger reservoirs, unless the bite is very slow or if there is a huge hatch of small baitfish.

 

The ned rig shines on smaller lakes. it can catch you a ton of small fish, with an occasional big fish thrown in.

It is very seldom the bait I start the day with. I personally like to target larger fish over numbers. 

 

A Ned Rig is not always the best bait. Some guys are not willing to try other baits.

Like any other bait, the fish can get conditioned to it.

one local lake that I fish gets hammered with ned rigs.

I was out there Wednesday. there were 2 boats all fishing the ned. 

they only caught a few fish each.

I fished the same waters with a fluke and a neko rig and caught twice as many fish.

That does not mean I am any better at fishing. Just more willing to adjust to conditions.

 

 

 

 

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I'll be the odd man out. I bought all the tackle for Ned rig fishing, but it hasn't worked well for me. My lakes are weedy. A light Texas rig or slider head with a 4" worm works so much better. I'll stick with these for light line fishing. 

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