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Bps Ascend D10T Kayak Vs. Malibu Mini X Kayak


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#16 J Francho

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Posted March 18 2013 - 03:35 PM

Lesser boats sometimes have "thick spots," where the the beads stacked up in the rotomolding process.  I've even seen some with an almost solid bow!  Not saying that's what's up with the Ascend, but something you can only find out in person.


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Posted March 18 2013 - 09:02 PM

Hookedahawg, thanks for posting that video review. I'm 99% sure I'm going to go with the Mini X.

 

I'm 5' 10" tall, and the Mini X is 33" wide. Does an 8' long paddle sound right? Thanks.



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Posted March 19 2013 - 06:35 AM

Paddle size can be easily determined by standing with your feet flat on the ground and raising your hand directly above your head.  Take the paddle and try to cup the end of your fingers around the end of the blade as it stands next to you.  If you can just barely cup your fingers over the edge, then that length will work for you.  Anything 10cm longer or shorter may not be as efficient for you on the water.

 

When selecting a paddle, your physical stature is not the only variable to consider.  You need to take the proper length paddle and then sit in the kayak itself.  If you have a kayak that rides higher out of the water than others or has a higher gunwale (as in the case of the Ascend D10T), then you may have to increase your paddle length by 10cm (ie: a 230cm over a 220cm).  Remember, the Ascend D10T is a SINK (Sit INside Kayak) versus the Malibu Mini-X which is a SOT (Sit On Top) - two entriely different kayaks from a seated position perspective.

 

Another variable in your kayak decision process is seat time - I have yet to see any response from you stating how much seat time you have had in either kayak.  They both are suitable as first kayaks, but if either or both are uncomfortable after 15 minutes on the water, what will you do then?  Get some seat time in both and make sure you are wearing the exact PFD you plan on wearing while you are trying them out.  That is the only way you will be albe to test out how comfortable you are.

 

Hope this helps.


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Posted March 19 2013 - 02:00 PM

Thanks Hanover. The Ascend D10T is a SOT kayak, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to buy the Mini X. The problem with the Mini X is the closest Malibu dealer is 156 miles away. I cannot find anyone else closer, that has the Mini X for me to check out.



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Posted March 19 2013 - 02:40 PM

Sorry thought you said FS10.  In that case, based upon the zoomed in photo I just looked at of the DS10T definitely go with Malibu if those are your final choices.  Reason being is that the footwell design of the Ascend does not appear to lend itself to proper drainage of any significant water volume that enters the kayak.  I see only 2 sets of scuppers on the entire kayak, one set in the tankwell and one in the cockpit/footwell close to the seat.  If you take any water over the bow or sides, the location of those scuppers would concern me.  I prefer at least two sets in the cokpit/footwell area - one set by my feet and one set at or under the seat.

 

I have a couple friends who fished with me in some nasty waters last summer during an angler club challenge.  One was fishing out of a Malibu Stealth and the others were fishing out of Wilderness Tarpton 140s and an Ocean Kayak Trident 13.  All of which had no less than 4 total scupper holes in the footwell area.  They were barraged with waves and rain for 6 hours straight and were wahsed over many times.  At one point, all of them had to bail on the rosks to empty out the water in the footwells, because the waves and water were coming in faster than the scuppers could self bail them.

 

Imagine what would happen if you only had two individual scuppers?  This same scenario can happen on a pond, river or lake.  I was washed over in my old Ride 135 on Sandy River Reservoir by someone running only a 9.9hp motor on the their jon boat.  It can happen even on a river.  Don't think it can't.

 

Not trying to scare you, just trying to share a personal experience of how quickly an improperly designed kayak can get you in trouble real quick.


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Posted March 19 2013 - 02:48 PM

Sorry thought you said FS10.  In that case, based upon the zoomed in photo I just looked at of the DS10T definitely go with Malibu if those are your final choices.  Reason being is that the footwell design of the Ascend does not appear to lend itself to proper drainage of any significant water volume that enters the kayak.  I see only 2 sets of scuppers on the entire kayak, one set in the tankwell and one in the cockpit/footwell close to the seat.  If you take any water over the bow or sides, the location of those scuppers would concern me.  I prefer at least two sets in the cokpit/footwell area - one set by my feet and one set at or under the seat.

 

I have a couple friends who fished with me in some nasty waters last summer during an angler club challenge.  One was fishing out of a Malibu Stealth and the others were fishing out of Wilderness Tarpton 140s and an Ocean Kayak Trident 13.  All of which had no less than 4 total scupper holes in the footwell area.  They were barraged with waves and rain for 6 hours straight and were wahsed over many times.  At one point, all of them had to bail on the rosks to empty out the water in the footwells, because the waves and water were coming in faster than the scuppers could self bail them.

 

Imagine what would happen if you only had two individual scuppers?  This same scenario can happen on a pond, river or lake.  I was washed over in my old Ride 135 on Sandy River Reservoir by someone running only a 9.9hp motor on the their jon boat.  It can happen even on a river.  Don't think it can't.

 

Not trying to scare you, just trying to share a personal experience of how quickly an improperly designed kayak can get you in trouble real quick.

 

 

Zoom in and you'll see a total of six scupper holes, or 3 sets of 2.

 

Two in the foot section, two at the seat, two in the rear.


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Posted March 30 2013 - 12:56 PM

Well, I decided to go with the Mini X, and it's on it's way. $399 for the 2012 recreational model, plus $49 shipping to a hub near me. Now I just need to wait for these lakes to thaw. :tongue8:

 

I'm trying to decide on which seat to buy. If you have any opinions, please see my other thread. Thanks.



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Posted April 27 2013 - 09:24 PM

My son just bought a ascend d10t kayak at bass pro shops today. After doing a lot of research and seeing the actual kayak it it definitely does give you bang for the buck. It is 34" wide 52lbs. The new ascend kayaks are much nicer than they were.

We got home and he took it out on the water right away. He had nothing but praise for this kayak. He said it paddles very easy,very stable, and he even stood up in it.

Then I tried it and it was everything that he said it was, very stable,easy to paddle tracks very well, I even stood up in it, awesome.

I`m very impressed,I have a wilderness systems tarpon kayak,and an emotion stealth kayak which I really like, both kayaks are 30-1/2" wide. The ascend kayaks are great kayaks for a cheaper cost than my other kayaks. My son didn`t have the cash for kayaks like I own, so he went with the ascend D10T sit-on-top 34" wide,which is very impressive.Also the D10T has 6-scupper holes, two in the rear,and two under the seat ,and two up front. Some peoples reviews said seat slides out when paddling, if seat is adjusted right It won`t move. If anyone is thinking of buying these kayaks, I`d say check them out you won`t be disappointed. Check them out for yourself. The price is, $399.00



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Posted May 01 2013 - 01:53 PM

How big are you and your son? I'm a solid Guy at 6'1 265. I love the layout of this kayak but standing to me is a must. I understand its stable, but I'm a big boy haha.

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Posted May 01 2013 - 02:10 PM

I`m 6' 210lbs, my boy is about the same.The D10T has a weight capacity of 350lbs. It is extremely stable.



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Posted May 01 2013 - 02:12 PM

Hmm maybe that will be the way to go then. Thanks again!




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