I hunt in N.Y. I mostly hunt in dense woods. I started out using Ruger American that I won at an NRA banquet in .308. I have in the past few years started to use 7.62x39 Soviet round. I run it through a Ruger and a CZ, both bolt action. For the ranges I am hunting it works perfect. I use Winchester Deer Season XP in the Ruger and Wolf 154 gr. Soft point in the CZ. I still love the .308 ,but it seems unnecessary because I am maxing out as maybe 150 yards. So that's my two cents.