Super User clayton86 Posted June 24, 2012 Super User Share Posted June 24, 2012 whats the difference between the two I know the circle has the point curled over but why would u use one over the other. im gonna be ordering some soon for fishing here in kuwait i had some octopus hooks I was using for catching bait fish but d**n parrot fish kept cutting my line and im now out of hooks for bait fish and almost out of bigger ones to put them bait fish on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBassPro Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Octopus hooks come in both traditional and circle hook style. The difference between a convential circle hook and an octopus circle hook is the bend of the eye, the difference between the traditional octopus hook and the circle octopus hook is the bend of the point of the hook. Generally speaking, the circle style hooks don't require a hookset and are pretty good at hooking fish in the mouth with live bait rigs. I can't say which you would prefer, though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User clayton86 Posted June 24, 2012 Author Super User Share Posted June 24, 2012 i just need some thing crazy sharp and strong mostly these fish have some tough mouths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBassPro Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I've only used circle hooks for catfish and halibut, I don't know how they'll do on fish with harder mouths. If you like to snell your hooks go with the octopus, otherwise the regular eye will give you a more direct pull on hookset. The regular O'Shaugnessy should work just fine IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User clayton86 Posted June 24, 2012 Author Super User Share Posted June 24, 2012 I've only used circle hooks for catfish and halibut, I don't know how they'll do on fish with harder mouths. If you like to snell your hooks go with the octopus, otherwise the regular eye will give you a more direct pull on hookset. The regular O'Shaugnessy should work just fine IMO. I was looking at some O'Shaugnessy hooks today I ordered some O'Shaugnessy 3x trebles to replace all the cheap hooks on the spoons iv been using but no luck today with lures it was real windy seems to be best on sunny calm days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User SirSnookalot Posted June 25, 2012 Super User Share Posted June 25, 2012 I use circles but for many saltwater fish hey are not your best option, reason being the shank is too short. If you are not using wire you will get many cutoffs. I was cut off 5 times last week on circles fishing for barracuda, I should have been using wire and J hooks are better for those fish, 30# crimped should do you fine. If I'm fishing for non toothy critters circles hooks are good, I use the Eagle Claws usually 4/0, if they can hold a 40# ameberjack, they will hold about any thing you may run into. Another over looked option by most shore bound saltwater fisherman is a king rig. A king is just a 2-4 trailer hooks( I use 2 or 3 depending on the length of my bait), this is not a live bait set up, you do not need a wire leader. Another cut bait option is a stinger rig, short wire leader to a circle hook, short piece of wire between that circle and a treble hook. Place the circle hook right thru the baits eyes, then the "stinger" is placed in the sardines body. You may want to try a siwash hook on those spoons, that's just a single saltwater hook, 2/0 or 4/0 replacing the treble. For any saltwater I fish I would not replace any hook unless it was 3x or 4x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User clayton86 Posted June 25, 2012 Author Super User Share Posted June 25, 2012 these are what I put on all my spoons we got there crazy sharp and much stiffer then the junk that came on the spoons the points were getting rolled over and or it would straighten out on like a 4lb queen fish. http://www.basspro.com/VMC-4X-Strong-O%E2%80%99Shaughnessy-Treble-Hooks-%E2%80%93-9626/product/59535/65188 now im looking at these after reading all the comments because we do experience alot of break offs but we also don't have any leaders http://www.basspro.com/Owner-Aki-Hooks-with-Cutting-Point/product/19933/107935 http://www.basspro.com/Gamakatsu-AllPurpose-OShaughnessy-Hook-Model-130/product/20122/67965 these are the circle hooks I had in mind http://www.basspro.com/Offshore-Angler&153;-WideGap-Circle-Hooks/product/53217/52252 what size would you recommend I was thinking like 5/0 or 6/0 the bait fish we use are usually 3-6inch seabream some times we use shrimp or chicken and i just started trying out them fish bites squid it seems to work pretty good also at least to catch the seabream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBassPro Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Order this in 80 - 100 lb test and make some leaders http://www.basspro.com/Offshore-Angler-Extreme-Fluorocarbon-Saltwater-Leader/product/2289/43822 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User clayton86 Posted June 25, 2012 Author Super User Share Posted June 25, 2012 yeah way to expensive lol if I was going out every day or had use for it back home then maybe but I don't get out that much i might just order some regular steel leaders with the snap and swivel on either end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User SoFlaBassAddict Posted June 25, 2012 Super User Share Posted June 25, 2012 Or you could very easily make your own steel leaders to fit whatever length you want, Clayton. Will also save a few bucks over buying the pre made ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User SirSnookalot Posted June 25, 2012 Super User Share Posted June 25, 2012 You may want to try a siwash hook on those spoons, that's just a single saltwater hook, 2/0 or 4/0 replacing the treble. I didn't mean to imply that a siwash is strictly saltwater, it's just a single hook used instead of a treble. The treble you are using is fine, I use them myself and those AKI hooks will work for a siwash too. I don't see the need for anything bigger than a 4/0 hook whether it be a circle hook or J. For the most part the hook should match the size of the bait, not the fish. Not uncommon to see guys fishing with crappie jigs for moonfish and pull up a 10# snook, hooks seldom get bent, and the moonfish crowd is anything but expert fishermen. Most of my snook and tarpon on caught with hooks about 2/0, bait hooks 3 or 4/0. I see the fish you are catching, those fish don't care about steel leaders and 30# is more than enough. I don't think you are using equipment big enough to warrant 50# line and 100# leaders and the depth around the piers probably isn't too deep, ours is only about 12'. You don't want to lift fish from a 20' pier anyway, use a pier net. Steel leaders are real easy to make, all you need are crimps and and a crimping tool, in a pinch ready mades will work fine, you can try piano wire, learning a haywire twist is easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBassPro Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 yeah way to expensive lol if I was going out every day or had use for it back home then maybe but I don't get out that much i might just order some regular steel leaders with the snap and swivel on either end If you want a use for it makes good leader material for pike or musky as well. Could probably use it to save a spinnerbait or two.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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