I have the St Croix Avid AC66MF. Reading this list, I see that it is a good rod for topwater. Is there an Avid rod that would be a better rod for frogs and other topwater lures? I still have some Christmas money left and the bait monkey is after me.

This is a good one for general topwaters

AVC62MXF

This is a good one for frogs

AVC70MHF

i use a 6ft8 med xtrafast for top waters ...... if i had to pick a avid for froggin ,,,, it would be the 7ft heavy fast ...  now that being said ,,i throw my froggs in the nastest stuff on the lake .... ;D

For me, when I'm fishing just for fun, it's Topwater. Many times after I have cast the bait out and am letting is sit, I become distracted by the beauty and tranquility of the body of water I'm on and its surroundings. Then a bass will smash the bait, and dang near make me jump out of the boat. That's a blast.

So I'd like to have a frog specific rod. Checking the St Croix site it appears that the two main choices are the AVC70MXF recommended by Infidel, or the AVC70HF that fits the criteria of Mike Bat. I can see that one is a medium power x-fast tip, and the other is a Heavy fast tip. What does that mean when fishing frogs in salad? And, which rod would you buy?

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http://www.bassresource.com/bass_fishing_forums/YaBB.pl?num=1195695678

hey Black bass .... if your lookin for a frog rod ...... st croix has one that cant be over looked ,,,,, in fact may be the best frog rod on the market ..... the legened tourney bass ( slop & frog ) 7ft heavy fast ..... this rod is the sweetest rod i own ..... after spending a summer using this rod i can say this is the most enjoyable rod to fish with ..... i know the legened tourney bass series is a few more bucks ,,,, but well worth it when it comes to this frogging stick .....  its a crisp fast action rod with plenty of power to yank them bass outta the slop ...... IMO this rod is a must have for the frog fishers  ....  

i use a 6ft8 med xtrafast for top waters ...... if i had to pick a avid for froggin ,,,, it would be the 7ft heavy fast ... now that being said ,,i throw my froggs in the nastest stuff on the lake .... ;D

Agree 100%

hey Black bass .... if your lookin for a frog rod ...... st croix has one that cant be over looked ,,,,, in fact may be the best frog rod on the market ..... the legened tourney bass ( slop & frog ) 7ft heavy fast ..... this rod is the sweetest rod i own ..... after spending a summer using this rod i can say this is the most enjoyable rod to fish with ..... i know the legened tourney bass series is a few more bucks ,,,, but well worth it when it comes to this frogging stick ..... its a crisp fast action rod with plenty of power to yank them bass outta the slop ...... IMO this rod is a must have for the frog fishers ....

Is that the LTBC70HF?

yes sir thats the one ...... my rod says TBC70hf .... this is a sweet stick .... now i have tryed a few other rods ..... i was using a st croix premier 7ft6 heavy ,,,, too much stick to move you get those fast bites ..... then i switched to the loomis frog rod ,,,, this stick wasnt very crisp and seemed rather heavy and bulky also ..... so last spring i said i may as well try the legened tourney bass ( slop and frog ) .... at this point my bite catch ratio isnt even 50 50 .... i spent the cash picked up the rod and im so glad i did ..... this rod is liter in over all weight vs the other 2 rods i tryed ,,, and so crisp fast and strong .... and i have put this rod to the test ,,, last july i had a 5lber hit the frog and instantly wrap around a peice of drift wood .... when i heaved on the fish i saw a big drift wood come outta the water and stand straight up in the air ..... to my supprise there was a 5lber flapping on the drift wood ,,, so i braught them bolth in ...... thats when you know you have a tough stick ...... \

heres a pic of the slop i fish all late summer .

heres a pic of the slop and frog rod ..... ;D

The St. Croix TBC68MXF and the TBC70HF will fit all your topwater needs.  If you don't need the new split grips you should find them for around $150 each on closeout.

If you only had an Avid MF or MXF rod, which one would be better for frogs?

Lard_Bass,

If you only had an Avid MF or MXF rod, which one would be better for frogs?

Neither, the 6'8" would be great for light tops as mentioned above.

But as Mike mentioned above for the slop and real rat fishin you will need something in the 7' range for distance, then for cranking all that weight (slop, fish, etc.) once hooked up you WILL need a broom stick backbone as in a Heavy.

Just a builders .02¢

Good Luck & Tight lines!!!  

Neither, the 6'8" would be great for light tops as mentioned above.

But as Mike mentioned above for the slop and real rat fishin you will need something in the 7' range for distance, then for cranking all that weight (slop, fish, etc.) once hooked up you WILL need a broom stick backbone as in a Heavy.

Just a builders .02¢

Good Luck & Tight lines!!!

Thanks. the lakes I fish in do not have much slop.   I was thinking of just throwing a frog out there near a weedline.  If I did, I assume the MXF would be a good one to go with since that will be my general plastics rod.

Neither, the 6'8" would be great for light tops as mentioned above.

But as Mike mentioned above for the slop and real rat fishin you will need something in the 7' range for distance, then for cranking all that weight (slop, fish, etc.) once hooked up you WILL need a broom stick backbone as in a Heavy.

Just a builders .02¢

Good Luck & Tight lines!!!

Thanks. the lakes I fish in do not have much slop. I was thinking of just throwing a frog out there near a weedline. If I did, I assume the MXF would be a good one to go with since that will be my general plastics rod.

hey lard bass ,, i would at least look into a med hev if you plan on toosin any frogs ..... if your lookin to throw the spro style frog you will need more power to set those oversized hooks ..... if you plan on tossin a horney toad style frog you will still need the power .... i catch most of my big bass on a frogg ..... so i really need a stick i can trust as far as power goes ..... a med rod could do it ,,, however i wouldent feel good using a med rod to toss a frog weather its fast or extra fast ... imo of coarse .....

Neither, the 6'8" would be great for light tops as mentioned above.

But as Mike mentioned above for the slop and real rat fishin you will need something in the 7' range for distance, then for cranking all that weight (slop, fish, etc.) once hooked up you WILL need a broom stick backbone as in a Heavy.

Just a builders .02¢

Good Luck & Tight lines!!!

Thanks. the lakes I fish in do not have much slop. I was thinking of just throwing a frog out there near a weedline. If I did, I assume the MXF would be a good one to go with since that will be my general plastics rod.

hey lard bass ,, i would at least look into a med hev if you plan on toosin any frogs ..... if your lookin to throw the spro style frog you will need more power to set those oversized hooks ..... if you plan on tossin a horney toad style frog you will still need the power .... i catch most of my big bass on a frogg ..... so i really need a stick i can trust as far as power goes ..... a med rod could do it ,,, however i wouldent feel good using a med rod to toss a frog weather its fast or extra fast ... imo of coarse .....

hey lard bass ,, i would at least look into a med hev if you plan on toosin any frogs ..... if your lookin to throw the spro style frog you will need more power to set those oversized hooks ..... if you plan on tossin a horney toad style frog you will still need the power .... i catch most of my big bass on a frogg ..... so i really need a stick i can trust as far as power goes ..... a med rod could do it ,,, however i wouldent feel good using a med rod to toss a frog weather its fast or extra fast ... imo of coarse .....

Bait monkey is that you in disguise telling me that I need a new frog rod.  

Thanks for the heads up Mike Bat.  I do not use frogs much.  I throw a Sizmic Toad every now and then and catch some bass with them.  When I get more into frogs, I am sure the bait monkey will convince me to get a new rod.  And while I am at it, I'll probably get a new swimbait rod too.  Why the heck not.

Bait monkey is that you in disguise telling me that I need a new frog rod.

LOL i wish i where .... i hear that monkey has quiet the tackle stash ......  ;D

AVC70MXF recommended by Infidel

I actually recomended a Medium Heavy Fast action, not a medium extra fast.  

If all you have to do is bomb your frog across the slop then I'm sure a heavy rod would be fine.  But if you are going to work structure where you will need to cast accurately and walk that frog back to you, you'll probably be happier with a MH.

AVC70MXF recommended by Infidel

I actually recomended a Medium Heavy Fast action, not a medium extra fast.

If all you have to do is bomb your frog across the slop then I'm sure a heavy rod would be fine. But if you are going to work structure where you will need to cast accurately and walk that frog back to you, you'll probably be happier with a MH.

Oops. Sorry. So, the rod you recommend in the Avid series is the AVC70MHF?

infidel ,,, i see where you coming from with the med hev being a better caster ..... however i do dissagree with you ,, not all heavy rods are broom sticks ....  the rod i use is a heavy ,,, however my rod was designed to fish frogs ..... its not as stout as the premiere heavy more like a avid heavy ..... the fast tip really gives me effortless precise casting ..... so i geuss im just saying not all heavy rods are the same ,,, just as not all fisherman are the same ..... im never just boming my frogg around ....

so i geuss im just saying not all heavy rods are the same ,,, just as not all fisherman are the same ..... im never just boming my frogg around ....  

True True.  To be honest I have checked a lot of other "frog" rods (Powell, Daiwa, Loomis) and most I of the ones I seen haven't impressed me.  But, I haven't held the one you have.  my mistake. :-[  I was just thinking that I wouldn't want to use the heavy Avid series rod.      

Between the AVC70HF and the AVC70MHF, which would be the better Frog rod on Toledo Bend and Rayburn?

the main question is hows the cover ,,,, and how big are the bass ...... you can see the cover i fish in the pictures ... the bass around here arnt that big ,,, a 5lber here is a pig .... so i geuss depeneding on what you wanna do ..... i prefer a heavy stick .... also i tend to catch the biggest bass of the year on a frog .....  i watched my brother in-law dump a biggun ,,, he couldnt move the bass a min. later the bass threw the frog .... he was using a med-hev rod .... now he has orderd a 7ft hev fast for this season ....

just depeneds how you like to fish i geuss ....