I have thought about one of the stable kyack, some of them are pricey, but would go between the rocks like the canoe. I like the idea of sitting upright in that comfortable chair on the toon but I am wondering if it would go into a death spin on some minor rapid. ;D Things like that happen to me.... There are a lot of choices and a lot of prices with both the toons and the kyacks. I'm wondering if a $300 toon is safe enough on a river or $1000 one for that matter. I know that kyack is safe, stable, but your sitting flat on your backside with not much visibility. I recon the Eskimos think a lot of them. I guess, that I need to find a kyack that I can borrow. One other question how do you work out the shuttle with a canoe after a float trip? That's always a problem, it basically takes two vehicles to make it work for me, have I missed a better method?