Tried Kanzen yet?

As it turns out, the S8S Power Pro is crap. I ended up really liking it at first but had nothing but issues with it once I broke it in. It's such a loose braid that it will flex and get grit caught in the voids. I grooved a REC tip top with it. I was astounded. I've been fishing the 60# through the summer and have been quite pleased. Samurai has better diamtere, but other than that I think they're actually in the same class. Kanzen has a little better abrasion resistance, but not by a whole lot.

Thats not just a PPS8S issue though Ive read of that happening with a number of different lines even mono.

http://www.michigan-...ad.php?t=319660 here in this thread a person reports of just mono use and getting grooves.

I have S8S 10# on 2 spinning and 15# on 2 bc most of my fishing done with just these 4 no issues not REC guides. I dont fish in dingy waters though so that makes the difference?

Thats not just a PPS8S issue though Ive read of that happening with a number of different lines even mono.

http://www.michigan-...ad.php?t=319660 here in this thread a person reports of just mono use and getting groves.

I have S8S 10# on 2 spinning and 15# on 2 bc most of my fishing done with just these 4 no issues not REC guides. I dont fish in dingy waters though so that makes the difference?

In my experience, it is, having fished the rod with fluoro, mono, and other braids, S8S is definitely the culprit. As well, not one other rod that I have REC tips on has had issue. I've never seen it, either, with any other line, but have had it happen with two tips with S8S, and have friends that have had issue with it as well. I find it extremely hard to believe that mono will grove it, give the REC hardness being on par with that of Alconite- in some cases the hardness is actually much higher because of the deflection factor... I won't go into it here. Point being, having had the experience only with S8S, and fishing REC guides on a number of rods with no issue for a number of years, S8S most certainly is the issue at hand, in this case the sole issue.

The other problems I've had with S8S are that the finish coat balls up so badly it's like the line is badly abraided, actually creating small nodules on the line. When that happened, you're sure to notice fray shortly after.

In my experience, it is, having fished the rod with fluoro, mono, and other braids, S8S is definitely the culprit. As well, not one other rod that I have REC tips on has had issue. I've never seen it, either, with any other line, but have had it happen with two tips with S8S, and have friends that have had issue with it as well. I find it extremely hard to believe that mono will grove it, give the REC hardness being on par with that of Alconite- in some cases the hardness is actually much higher because of the deflection factor... I won't go into it here. Point being, having had the experience only with S8S, and fishing REC guides on a number of rods with no issue for a number of years, S8S most certainly is the issue at hand, in this case the sole issue.

The other problems I've had with S8S are that the finish coat balls up so badly it's like the line is badly abraided, actually creating small nodules on the line. When that happened, you're sure to notice fray shortly after.

Oh I wasnt saying it was not the cause, just others had REC grooving issues with other lines even befor S8S came out.