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Issues spooling up Baitcaster

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Hello everyone,

The other day, I spooled some brand new 15 lb seaguar invizx on my Daiwa Tatula. However, I encountered some major issues right after I finished. The line would just randomly coil off in big bundles when I casted and this would even happen when I wasn't doing anything with the reel.The reasons I've come up with for why this happened is either because I spooled in the wrong direction (Left Hand Reel). In addition, it might also be that I overfilled the spool or that I have too heavy of a line.

This has been bugging me for days. I respooled twice and used line conditioner and yet, I still get these great big coils coming off my spool. Now, I've wasted an entire spool of Seaguar Invizx.

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The only thing I have heard is to spool a bait caster with the line coming off the top of the line spool then over the top of your bait caster spool. Is this what you did?

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Yes, this is what I did. So, I think it's safe to say this probably isn't the issue.

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... and you wouldn't consider this a "backlash"? How is it different?

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4 minutes ago, Bass Turd said:

... and you wouldn't consider this a "backlash"? How is it different?

I'm going to take a wild guess and say because the OP said,

"this would even happen when I wasn't doing anything with the reel."

I would say slow down and take a look at a few YouTube videos and see exactly how that line is to be put on coming off the spool and onto the reel. This sounds like it's not been put on correctly. I know you said you think you have installed it correctly but sometimes we are so confident that we overlook or misunderstand something we thought we were doing correct. 

That seaguar invizx is a fairly common line so I have to believe it's a installation issue 1st since no one else that I know of is publicly saying they are having issues with it. That being said It is possible that batch had a problem but I would really look at your end first. 

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If you hadn't wrote that it was a baitcaster I would have sworn you were talking about a spinning reel. I've had a dozen baitcasters and never had this problem. 

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Over filled maybe. Like way over filled. Should be 1/8 inch or so before you hit the shoulder on the spool. Try taking off some line. I have the same reel and have used the same line.

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The line isn't wasted. If you have a boat tie on a crankbait and let out 90% of the line as you motor along. Reel up the bait. The bill will on the bait will be tension enough. No boat, tie the line off to something and walk away while keeping the line taught. Reel it up nice and tight. If you don't apply good tension when spooling things can get messy. I don't know if Invivx is precision wound, but it shouldn't make any difference what direction top or bottom the line comes off the spool when spooling onto a casting reel. Hasn't in my experience anyways. I always run the line through a phone book for tension when spooling up. 

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Would overfilling the spool cause the line to jump off in bundles even when the spool is stationary? I'm starting to think that I may have over-spooled but am not sure since I made sure to leave an 1/8 of an inch of the spool visible.

 

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34 minutes ago, Bass Turd said:

... and you wouldn't consider this a "backlash"? How is it different?

The line coils off in big bundles when stationary. 

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11 minutes ago, Kevin_Rs5 said:

Would overfilling the spool cause the line to jump off in bundles even when the spool is stationary? I'm starting to think that I may have over-spooled but am not sure since I made sure to leave an 1/8 of an inch of the spool visible.

 

Yes do me a favor and remove some line

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Is the spool in the reel and the reel on a rod and a bait tied on the end of the line? Just trying to understand the whole picture. 

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Its gotta be overfilling the spool. I just don't understand how on a baitcaster the line can jump off the spool when its stationary???  I'm kinda hung up on that. It can happen on spinning reels but a baitcaster is a horizontal spool connected at both ends to the frame of the reel. Is it just me or is anybody else confused?

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21 minutes ago, Gundog said:

Its gotta be overfilling the spool. I just don't understand how on a baitcaster the line can jump off the spool when its stationary???  I'm kinda hung up on that. It can happen on spinning reels but a baitcaster is a horizontal spool connected at both ends to the frame of the reel. Is it just me or is anybody else confused?

I've seen it before. Take some really heavy fluorocarbon and spool it and it will do the same thing. 

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There is a fill line on the spool of a baitcaster. Sometimes it is isn't always the easiest to see but like a spinning reel I don't like overfilling them. The reel will be more prone to backlashes early in the cast. I would start with removing about 5-10 yards. If that helps the problem some but not all the way remove a bit more. At the same time you don't wonder it grossly underspooled either.

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If it holds 120 yards, put 90 yards on there. It will be a little more manageable. Don't forget to use your spool tension knob.

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1 minute ago, thebillsman said:

If it holds 120 yards, put 90 yards on there. It will be a little more manageable. Don't forget to use your spool tension knob.

Does a loose or tight spool tension knob affect the spooling process in anyway? If so, should I have it tight or loose?

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Is the spool in the reel when this is happening? Is the end of the line left loose? If so... yes it will unspool. Always have the end of the line attached to something. Tape it down to the spool or make a loop and slip it around the foot or handle. Always keep tension on the line.

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1. Was the line coming off the top or bottom of the filler spool? If bottom, you have line that's trying to go back to its factory loaded position.

2. Pull the spool and run warm-hot (not boiling) over the line while it's on the spool. This will reset it.

3. How much tension did you put on the line when you were spooling it?

Josh

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14 minutes ago, Kevin_Rs5 said:

Does a loose or tight spool tension knob affect the spooling process in anyway? If so, should I have it tight or loose?

You need tension on the line the entire time you spool it up. Doesn't have to be extremely tight just can't have slack or loose windings. I personally do not use the tension knob to keep tension but that doesn't mean some don't. Someone mentioned using a phone book and they sell a tool that will hold your reel and line with a tension adjustment on the spool side. It's your call how you keep tension on it. 

Just a question how long have you used baitcaster reels? Just trying to figure out your experience level.

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1 hour ago, Kevin_Rs5 said:

Would overfilling the spool cause the line to jump off in bundles even when the spool is stationary? I'm starting to think that I may have over-spooled but am not sure since I made sure to leave an 1/8 of an inch of the spool visible.

 

I'm in deep doo-doo if that is the case.  I fill all my baitcast reels to the bevel on the spool.  I believe the only reel I had to leave a little below that is the unmentionable company reel.  Line rubbed on the frame when filled that much. Yes, I know standard instructions call for 1/16-1/8 inch less.  I filled to the spool bevel on the Tatula I had without a problem.  However, I have fluoro on maybe two reels.  Most have mono or a co-polymer line.

 

12 minutes ago, Kevin_Rs5 said:

Does a loose or tight spool tension knob affect the spooling process in anyway? If so, should I have it tight or loose?

Only if it is so low you can't spool the line on snug.  Otherwise the tension knob is used to help control the spool while casting.

 

6 minutes ago, Bass Turd said:

Is the spool in the reel when this is happening? Is the end of the line left loose? If so... yes it will unspool. Always have the end of the line attached to something. Tape it down to the spool or make a loop and slip it around the foot or handle. Always keep tension on the line.

Agree.  Disengaging the spool with no tension on the line is asking for trouble.

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27 minutes ago, Kevin_Rs5 said:

Does a loose or tight spool tension knob affect the spooling process in anyway? If so, should I have it tight or loose?

After you're done spooling it, tighten your tension knob so the spool remains still. 

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I spray the filler spool with KVD line conditioner and let it sit overnight. Spool it on off the top of the filler spool to over the top of the reel. Hold the line between thumb and forefinger for some tension while filling the reel. I always spool it coming through all my rod guides. Fill to 1/8 from the top. Tighten the tension knob with the lure/plastic you are going to use on your line. Set your brakes. Never had a problem with it spooling off with no cast. Good luck.

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Can the line be slipping on the spool? 

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