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I'm new at the bait caster in line usage

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Good morning fishing friends  I have a question for y'all  I'm newly at my baitcaster that I just picked up about 3-4 months ago I put on  50 pound test line braided I think it equals out to like 10 20 pounds something like that test line and I'm getting a lot of backlash is when I'm throwing my line into the water how can I prevent that that from backlashing all the time when I throw over my head basically the rod in front of my face when I throw it even when I side pitch it I still get some backlash and I was wondering how can I prevent that am I throwing it too hard or what's going o? Appreciate the help

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Welcome aboard, Bill!

What reel are you using? Brand/model, as that
can help in diagnosing the issue. Line overfill,
braking setup, spool tension, "uneducated thumb"
can also contribute to persistent backlash.

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Carbon blue mcs lew's speed spool cb1shl 6 bearings system 7.1:1 gear ratio.

I'm using a carbon blue Speed Stick apt 6 foot 10 medium heavy action fast typer my line is not completely full on the spool I probably say I would I left about a 16th of an inch I don't think it's too much line I'm pretty sure it's not

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4 minutes ago, Bill watters said:

Carbon blue mcs lew's speed spool cb1shl 6 bearings system 7.1:1 gear ratio.

I'm using a carbon blue Speed Stick apt 6 foot 10 medium heavy action fast typer my line is not completely full on the spool I probably say I would I left about a 16th of an inch I don't think it's too much line I'm pretty sure it's not

There are a lot of Lew's fans on the board who will probably
chime in with suggestions. I've got experience with Shimano, 
Daiwa, and older Quantum reels.

Are you keeping your thumb close to the spool (almost touching)
during your casting, clamping down as your lure hits the water?

Another possibility is too light a lure, especially on a MH rod. To get
distance out of a lighter bait on that rod, you'll swing it pretty hard
since it won't load up well, making you swing the rod faster to get
distance, and then a backlash.

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Not sure what you've read, watched, or tried thus far, but this post has a couple of good videos:

On 9/28/2016 at 1:56 PM, Glenn said:

1 - You're not completely dialed-in yet

2 - Your casting technique needs refinement.

Here are two videos to help with both:

 

 

 

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First let me say welcome.   :happy-127:  Have you read thru this stickie yet? 

Besides what Darren asked, it would help to know the rod you are using and type and weights of lures.  Some lures cast much better than others...less chance of wind catching them.  Example: jig versus spinnerbait.  First you need to make sure the lure is within the rod's rating...preferably a little on the high side of the mean.  Okay.  I see you answered some of those questions while I was typing.

If you are coming from the world of spinning reels, then it is going to take some time for you to adjust to the baitcast reel.  Release point is totally different than what you would be used to.  Some of us are slower than others leaning this part.  :(   Also you can make a snap cast like you would with a spinning reel.  Smooth is an important word when using baitcast reels.

I would start with a side arm roll cast.  This helps keep the rod tip loaded throughout the cast and smooths out the rod's reversal.

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Just now, Bill watters said:

My back lashes are coming on the front side of the cast not at the end of the cast

Smooth out your casting stroke.  Don't try for the moon.

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I have a rod right in front of me it says 6'10 power medium-heavy action fast taper line weight is 10 - 20lbs and the lure  weight is 3/8 - 1 ounce I know what you're saying by the side action role a casting I can do that most the time and I still get them. But every now and then it's like a A Perfect cast I get good distance and yes I am from the spinning reel LOL so I'm thinking I might not be correctly as long as it's not my real my pole and my line.

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Trash that cruddy braid for some soft mono in 10-12# test.  :lol:

 

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I think that's what I'm trying to do is cast for the Moon and I shouldn't be doing that and by the way I watched the videos and very helpful thank you very much I will be trying out these new tricks and I use braid because I fish in some pretty nasty ponds

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Set your brake at max.  Better to have a bit shorter cast than a backlash.  :lol:  Don't over tighten the spool tension.  Just tight enough to let the lure drop slowly.  Ask me how I know.  LOL.  Basically my second year of use was relearning to cast.  However, it took a little longer than necessary to relearn because I set my reels up the way an experienced caster had suggested...with just enough tension to remove side-to-side play.  In other words I went too far the other way....but...that is how I run most of my reels now.

I can't stress enough that "smooth" is critical with a baitcast reel.  If you aren't smooth, the lure can jerk the spool...starting it up fast...yet the lure isn't keeping up with the line going out.  You've already discovered the results.  :D

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Yeah the end result is what I've been getting so I'm going to watch some more videos on setting up my baitcaster and get the brakes and all that figured out and which ones I'm touching which one of my toes to be touching

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There were two tips that helped me tremendously when I first started with a casting reel. The first is to pull out a casts worth of line and then put some tape on the reel. If you backlash again it won't go any farther than the tape. I even fished with the tape for a while. As you cast to the tape just keep moving it further down the reel. The second tip was to identify when in the cast the backlash was happening. You said early. Early in the cast = spool tension. Middle of the cast = thumb. End of the cast = brakes. Good luck. Keep practicing. Before you know it it will be second nature. 

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It is the round knob on the handle side of the reel inline with the center of the spool. You need to adjust it for every different lure you put on your line for a while. With the lure tied on and the rod held horizontal to the ground push the thumb bar and the lure should fall slowly to the ground. Adjust it so the spool does not continue to turn when the lure hits the ground. As you get better you will be able to cast with a looser spool tension but for now use this setup for each lure. 

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4 hours ago, Bill watters said:

Carbon blue mcs lew's speed spool cb1shl 6 bearings system 7.1:1 gear ratio.

I'm using a carbon blue Speed Stick apt 6 foot 10 medium heavy action fast typer my line is not completely full on the spool I probably say I would I left about a 16th of an inch I don't think it's too much line I'm pretty sure it's not

I have this exact setup and love it.  Got it on sale at Dick's?

Sounds like the problem you're having, sorry to say, is not the equipment.  On learning curve I had to conscientiously think about when casting, is that casting overhead with a baitcaster isn't like a spinning rod.  You need to make sure you're not whipping it.  Its more of a smooth lob., and your release point will  be higher than that of a spinning rod.  Make sure your tension knob is set right.  When I first got mine about 3 months ago (first casting combo) I had the magnetic brake set on 10 until I got used to the casting motion, then I gradually reduced that.  Now Im keeping it at 6 for most applications unless Im casting in to wind.  Just keep practicing and let your thumb lightly feather that reel. When the lure hits the water, put your thumb on the reel at that same moment.  You'll get it, just keep practicing and thinking about what you're doing.   

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Forgot to mention.... The next step is to turn half your brakes on or your brakes half way on depending on what kind you have. After you cast a few times you can adjust your brakes more or less and or the spool tension more or less. 

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Your thump is your firend, use him more, touch the spool a bit when cast. Make sure you get the right weight for your rod/reel and line setup. With your 50lb braid and MH rod, you not gonna cast light wight lure very easy. I would use at least 3/8 oz with those setup.

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I would guess your spool tension knob is too loose.  With a lure tied on hold your rod at 1 oclock.  Press the spool release and watch the lure fall.  Do this and adjust the spool tension until the lure falls slowly and stops as soon as it touches the ground and you dont see the reel trying to feed any more line after the lure hits the ground.

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I just went out fishing and I have it set up I believe there should be I got maybe one or three backlashes so thanks for the tips 

 

 

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Lews is my brand of choice when it comes to baitcasting reels. It takes time to learn how to use baitcaster properly. Start out with the dial max. U won't be able to cast too far but it will helped get you accustomed. No need to swing for the fence the lure will come out smoothly. Think control over power.

P.S.

I still can't overhead cast but it has not hindered me in anyway.

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24 minutes ago, LxVE said:

Lews is my brand of choice when it comes to baitcasting reels. It takes time to learn how to use baitcaster properly. Start out with the dial max. U won't be able to cast too far but it will helped get you accustomed. No need to swing for the fence the lure will come out smoothly. Think control over power.

P.S.

I still can't overhead cast but it has not hindered me in anyway.

Have you tried adding a little roll to your overhead cast?  The roll hinders accuracy...although like anything else it gets better with practice...but I find it helps to smooth out my rod reversal.

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1 hour ago, Bill watters said:

I just went out fishing and I have it set up I believe there should be I got maybe one or three backlashes so thanks for the tips 

 

 

Good work!  One to three per trip isnt out if the ordinary.

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