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Hi all, I am an old schooler who uses a lot of crankbaits and inline spinners, so I use a lot of monofilament line.  last year I started using Sufix Siege, and I fell in love. its strong and casts very well.

 

However, its so slick that sometimes I have knots that break. When I tie a good knot the stuff is hard to break, but I have had lures fly off in mid air etc. using the trilene/improved clinch knot.  I have never lost a fish etc but I have lost a few lures in mid cast which is strange. I am pretty sure it was because the knot began to slip and then break, probably because of the slickness of this mono. I have read people have had the same issue with their other mono, Elite.

 

I am switching over the classic palomar knot for this line.

 

My question is, is there a benefit to tying the double palomar knot with regular mono?

 

I know for braid people like the double palomar, but with mono or a copolymer is there a benefit? or a disadvantage?

 

Thanks

 

 

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Apologies for not answering your direct question as I hate the Palomar as there is room for error, that said slippery line always benifits from added wraps.

I would look at the improved or doubled uni or San Diego jam.  I am sure as guys wake up there will be tons of replies

 

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thanks, that was another option I was looking at: just use  few more wraps when using the double improved clinch knot to prevent slippage which leads to breakage

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Siege is a really good line, but it is slick and even a little stiff, almost like fluorocarbon which means you are probably better off with the palomar than the double palomar as the double is harder to cinch down and can actually cause the line to break.

 

I've used the palomar without issue with 17lb Siege line so I would think 10-12lb would be even easier, but I also use the uni knot a lot as well, especially when the wind is blowing my bait around as I find it easier to tie under such conditions. I don't even bother with the double uni knot, just tie the uni knot and give it 5 to 7 wraps and you're good. The palomar is definitely the way to go with braid, but for fluorocarbon or even mono, the uni is a better option imo.

 

The improved cinch knot may also work for you and that's quicker to tie, but the uni knot is without a doubt stronger.

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I have used Siege the last 4 or 5 years and have had no issues with knot slippage. I use a uni knot for everything. Usually 7 wraps for smaller diameter mono (8 lbs and less) and 5 or 6 wraps for heavier mono.  I use 10-12 wraps for a uni with braid.

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7 minutes ago, DSTN said:

I have used Siege the last 4 or 5 years and have had no issues with knot slippage. I use a uni knot for everything. Usually 7 wraps for smaller diameter mono (8 lbs and less) and 5 or 6 wraps for heavier mono.  I use 10-12 wraps for a uni with braid.

I've been using 8# and 12# Siege with a Uni Knot...5-6 wraps.  Never had a problem.

 

OP.  Are you sure it is the knot breaking?

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I use 10 and 12 lb. Sufix Siege and have never had the problem you are describing. I always use a San Diego jam knot. The only time I use a palomar knot is when I rig up a drop shot.

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hmm. I think part of the problem is the store I have been buying from has mostly spools that are not the G20 presicion wound boxes (ie they are skinny boxes not the big fat ones).

 

could they be very old spools and therefore brittle line?

 

or when I am using the smaller tests like 10 and under I just need more wraps for my double improved clinch knot? like 6 wraps instead of 4?

 

 

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I religiously use an improved clinch knot for mono and fluorocarbon line. I would suggest you use a couple more wraps and leave a little extra tag end

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I use a regular palomar knot for both braid and mono (use Siege for my leaders sometimes). Never had an issue with the knot slipping or breaking. I’ve even broken hooks on jigs fishing with braid and the knot was fine. 

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5 hours ago, Log Catcher said:

I use 10 and 12 lb. Sufix Siege and have never had the problem you are describing. I always use a San Diego jam knot. The only time I use a palomar knot is when I rig up a drop shot.

While siege is a very tough line it can get nicks in it. How often are you checking your line for bad spots or cutting off and retying your baits?

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I’ve not had any problems with siege and I use the improved clinch and Palomar knots primarily. I haven’t had any issues with knot slippage with siege or elite up to 20lbs. However, the thicker the diameter, the more mindful I am on ensuring I not only make a well tied knot AND ensure I have enough tag end to account for slippage. I do that by not cutting the tag end too short. I do this for any line I use. I’m actually more conscious about it with new braid since it tends to be slick out of the box. 

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I had the same problem with slippage with the improved clinch and Siege. Then I tried the improved Trilene knot and it was fine, that 2nd time through the eye is important to this slick line.

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On 4/8/2018 at 7:38 AM, NHBull said:

San Diego jam

This.  This knot has never failed me and I use Sufix Siege all the time.

On 4/8/2018 at 1:05 PM, Hulkster said:

hmm. I think part of the problem is the store I have been buying from has mostly spools that are not the G20 presicion wound boxes (ie they are skinny boxes not the big fat ones).

 

could they be very old spools and therefore brittle line?

I didn't see this post before.  I have been using Siege for about 10 years and have never seen it other than the G20 precision wound version.  So, I guess I'm saying that the line you are using could indeed be rather old.

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