I got a new rig the other day and bought some 50lb spiderwire. I spooled it last night and I thought I spooled it pretty tight. I used a couple layers of mono to prevent slipping on the reel (spinning reel, btw) and then tied on a double uni knot to connect the braided line. So I go out to fish today and noticed immediately that the reel was spooling the line loose. I thought it may be because I filled the reel maybe a little too much (it's not to the edge or anything though) but I noticed even with a long cast, it was doing the same thing while I reeled it in. It's spooling below where it should be and looping a bit sometimes if there isn't enough tension on the line. Is there something I'm missing.. did I do something wrong? Does it need to be spooled on tighter? I never had this issue with mono. 

 

I really liked the braided line but It's super annoying even though I was able to manage to fish, I feel like it's going to be a problem.

Is there constant tension on the line?  Also, look into power pro line.

4 minutes ago, ratherbfishin1 said:

Is there constant tension on the line?  Also, look into power pro line.

No, only if I throw something out and just reel in. I like frog fishing and when I walk it, that's when the biggest issues come up. Didn't happen as much with a worm but it was happening a little. 

Two things:  50 lb. is too stout for spinning, frogging or not.  Stay 30 or less.  Also, keep you index finger straight and in contact with your line when retrieving.

What rod are you using? 

What spinning reel size?

Tom

Not sure exactly what you are describing here.  Could you explain it a different way?

7 hours ago, The Bassman said:

Two things:  50 lb. is too stout for spinning, frogging or not.  Stay 30 or less.  Also, keep you index finger straight and in contact with your line when retrieving.

Thanks for the tip. Is what I'm experiencing normal I just have to learn to adjust so it doesnt happen or is this something out of the ordinary?

 

7 hours ago, WRB said:

What rod are you using? 

What spinning reel size?

Tom

6 ft Ugly Stik Lite Pro and a Quantum Escalade 30 (was on clearance at Dicks for 20 bucks)

4 hours ago, LionHeart said:

Not sure exactly what you are describing here.  Could you explain it a different way?

See picture attached below, its being spooled where the red lines are. Not all of them go down there, only a couple when I reel it in without a lot of tension, but it's still enough to annoy me and I know it will cause problems at some point. 

 

 

 

That makes it clear.  Thanks.  Scratching my head on this one.  IMO a spinning reel should not do this with any size braid or no matter how full the spool is.

One of the traits of braid is that is is quite limp compared to other line types. Because of this, it is more important that the angler ensure that there is tension in the line BEFORE line retrieval begins. 

 

Allow me to define this “tension”.  By it I don’t necessarily mean that the line has to be ultra taut, but that helps. 

 

This “tension” is sufficient if the line is straight and the there is NO excess line (ie, slack) on your side of the bail. 

 

If there is I can only guess the result will be what you’ve described. 

 

This is advice actually goes for any line type. The erroroneous result however is more prevalent with braid because it s so limp. 

 

Hope this will resolve your issue. Strive to be mindful of of limp line on your side of the bail before you start the retrieve. 

Can't stress the importance of your index finger enough. Lightly "feather" the line with it during the cast. Close the bail manually with it then let it brush the line as you retrieve.  Solves a lot of problems.  Also, would recommend  a .15-.25 mm braid (most brands 10-20 lb.) for that reel. I really like Sufix 832. 

14 hours ago, islandbass said:

One of the traits of braid is that is is quite limp compared to other line types. Because of this, it is more important that the angler ensure that there is tension in the line BEFORE line retrieval begins. 

 

Allow me to define this “tension”.  By it I don’t necessarily mean that the line has to be ultra taut, but that helps. 

 

This “tension” is sufficient if the line is straight and the there is NO excess line (ie, slack) on your side of the bail. 

 

If there is I can only guess the result will be what you’ve described. 

 

This is advice actually goes for any line type. The erroroneous result however is more prevalent with braid because it s so limp. 

 

Hope this will resolve your issue. Strive to be mindful of of limp line on your side of the bail before you start the retrieve. 

Thanks for the advice, I'll give this a shot. Have you seen what I experienced before? I don't mind working a little harder to keep it from happening if this is the norm but I also would be fine with exchanging the reel for another either the same model if its defective or by getting a whole new reel.

 

9 hours ago, The Bassman said:

Can't stress the importance of your index finger enough. Lightly "feather" the line with it during the cast. Close the bail manually with it then let it brush the line as you retrieve.  Solves a lot of problems.  Also, would recommend  a .15-.25 mm braid (most brands 10-20 lb.) for that reel. I really like Sufix 832. 

Thanks, I'll give that line a try. I really love the sensitivity of the braided line.

 

Anyone have a good recommendation of a good leader line? Old Hickory lake is where I do most of my fishing and its a little murky, has a slight green/brown tint to it. 

13 minutes ago, Gator in TN said:

Thanks for the advice, I'll give this a shot. Have you seen what I experienced before? I don't mind working a little harder to keep it from happening if this is the norm but I also would be fine with exchanging the reel for another either the same model if its defective or by getting a whole new reel.

It used to happen to me, that is great advice and no that is not the cause of a defected reel. Good luck, and go gators!

50 lb Power Pro is .014D too large for your spinning reel, Max diameter should be .010D. My guess, based on your sketch, is the spool is over filled and the line falling off the spool. 

Tom

27 minutes ago, WRB said:

50 lb Power Pro is .014D too large for your spinning reel, Max diameter should be .010D. My guess, based on your sketch, is the spool is over filled and the line falling off the spool. 

Tom

I thought that may be the case but when a decent amount of line is off the spool, it will still do it. Thanks for the recommendation though, I will go out and get new line before the next time I fish and report back with the results. 

 

I appreciate everyone's responses and advice.

@Gator in TN: I have not seen it personally with braid since I havent used braid on a spinning setup in years, but I do see it when I’m using fairly light and limp line. 

 

WRB has a point I didn’t explore, that the line might very well be too thick for a reel this size, and that could exacerbate your issue. 

 

I have to go through motions, lol 

30 = 8

40 = 10

50 = 12

 

I know from experience that. Typical 2500 spool (Shimano in my case), can handle 10# mono but I know that is the upper end for this spool. I’ve spool 10# mono on this reel in the past and just this week had to put in 10# mono on it for my brother’s sake to help him land his first few fish with spinnerbaits. It was a compromise I had to make.  He wasn’t ready to try my casting reel with 14# mono I use for spinnerbaits, lol.  I wouldn’t even dare put 12# mono.

 

The next time you’re out, keenly observe both the line tension and if the line diameter might be the culprit. 

 

Or better yet, tie on a 1/4 to 3/8 oz weight, go out in your yard and make a few casts right this very minute, lol. I need to know right now, as your issue has piqued my curiosity, and I’m dying to know, lol. 

 

Just kidding. You don’t have to do it now, but I am looking forward as to whether or not your issue gets resolved. 

 

 

If I stand in the yard with a weight on it or really if I just consistently reel with no action, it will reel fine. The problem comes when I walk the frog or if I'm reeling in a worm by pulling up on the rod without reeling and then reeling in the slack while tilting the rod back down. If I swim the worm there is no issue. All the problems come if I'm trying to finesse the lure as opposed to straight up reeling it in. 

6 hours ago, ratherbfishin1 said:

It used to happen to me, that is great advice and no that is not the cause of a defected reel. Good luck, and go gators!

By the way, I was working earlier and forgot... 

 

GO GATORS!

You create loose line working a top water or jerk bait because it's a spinning reel that you don't keep tension on the line. The fact it's to large dismeter means it over fills the spool capacity as it loosens. You will always fight this issue until you go down in line diameter. Your rod can't handle 50 lb test line force so why use it?

Tom

2 minutes ago, WRB said:

You create loose line working a top water or jerk bait because it's a spinning reel that you don't keep tension on the line. The fact it's to large dismeter means it over fills the spool capacity as it loosens. You will always fight this issue until you go down in line diameter. Your rod can't handle 50 lb test line so why use it?

Tom

To be honest, rookie mistake. I've been watching youtube videos and reading stuff that says while frogging you use high braid line, never really researched that much about what line to use with what reel. Now that I see how granular it needs to be, I know a little better. I didn't really think that there would be that much difference between 50lb and 20lb braid regardless of which reel it goes on. I see that I have a lot more to learn about this. However, I'm a nerd at anything I do, so I like to read up and figure out my mistakes and correct them. I'm not hard headed and I can follow advice from people more knowledgeable than I am. I appreciate all of the info you guys are providing. Thanks for the tips! 

Okay then, from one nerd to another, lol, (and I truly am one) heed WRB’s and other people’s advice and downsize to 30 or even 20# braid. 

 

Im willing to bet a floating rapala minnow that while the recommendation of going with a higher strength braid is sound, they were by default assuming a casting reel was to be used. Go back to the video(s) you watched and see if they’re using casting or spinning gear. The minnow is banking on the former. ?

I'm not a big spinning reel guy but I would guess that any time you are reeling in slack line (walking a frog, bouncing a t-rig) you are going to battle this problem to some extent. It's just the nature of how a spinning reel works. As stated above, downsizing your braid should help a great deal. If you don't mind the price, I highly recommend suffix 832 as well. If you want a more budget friendly braid, Kastking makes excellent braid that you can usually get for less than $5 shipped.

9 hours ago, islandbass said:

Okay then, from one nerd to another, lol, (and I truly am one) heed WRB’s and other people’s advice and downsize to 30 or even 20# braid. 

 

Im willing to bet a floating rapala minnow that while the recommendation of going with a higher strength braid is sound, they were by default assuming a casting reel was to be used. Go back to the video(s) you watched and see if they’re using casting or spinning gear. The minnow is banking on the former. ?

Yeah, I'm going to pick up some 20-30 before the next time I go out. I almost picked up the same reel but as a baitcaster but I'm not so sure about it yet. I want to get a little more fishing and techniques under my belt before I tackle using that type of setup. 

17 minutes ago, Lead Head said:

I'm not a big spinning reel guy but I would guess that any time you are reeling in slack line (walking a frog, bouncing a t-rig) you are going to battle this problem to some extent. It's just the nature of how a spinning reel works. As stated above, downsizing your braid should help a great deal. If you don't mind the price, I highly recommend suffix 832 as well. If you want a more budget friendly braid, Kastking makes excellent braid that you can usually get for less than $5 shipped.

I love to fish but bass fishing where I used to live was a hassle because of gated communities and the distances I'd have to drive to find good bass fishing so after the kids were born I gave it up for a while. I haven't had much time to use anything other than spinning reels so far. Now that I'm up in Tenn and there's a wealth of lakes nearby I'm getting back into the swing of things. At some point I'm definitely going to make the jump over to using baitcasters more but I'm just trying to get a lot of fishing in first before making the switch.

 

Thanks for the recommendations I'll be on the lookout for suffix and good to know about Kastking. I don't mind spending the extra money, it's just getting the wife to not be naggy about it thats the kicker.