I have ordered a Daiwa zillion TW HLC 1514SH in the 7:3:1 gear ratio,it is arriving today but I would like to know more information on it if any of y'all have one or experience with the older zillions,the model I ordered was made only in japan from 2015-2016 and is the hyper long cast edition (HLC) of the zillion,I have heard there is 4x less breaking force for bombing 1/4 oz to 1 oz jigs and baits but that's really it,it's got a light weight spool for super high rpm when casting.Please message me if you have any info or reply to this post.Thanks!

HLC gets reduced brake force with a MagForce inductor return spring that's 4x stronger, and the purple inductor is 0.8-mm shorter, putting that much less Lenz mass into the magnet field

Jun Sonada recommends casting over 1/2 oz. If Jun said it, he measured it.

He also has a mod if you want to gain back that 0.8 mm, for a more reliable brake -

https://japantackle.com/tackle_topics/21steezatwhlc-modify

The frame will accept all 1520 Daiwa spools, and the current annular MagForce magnets are all the same, so you can swap in MagZ Boost or gold-inductor MagZ with more reliable brakes for 1/4 to 1+ oz.

Thats good to know and I will look into that mod,do you know where I could go to get one of those plastics washers to keep the main parts of the spool mostly stock instead of putting a entirely new spool in the reel due to expenses.If I pair the reel on a 7 foot medium heavy rod rated for 1/4 to 1.5oz could I get away with throwing 1/4 oz?,I'm running 40 pound braid and using the reel for jig and swimbait/glidebaits fishing and a few of my jigs are under the 1/2 oz range.thanks!

50 on Amazon -

https://www.amazon.com/Qjaiune-Washers-Thickness-Plastic-Transparent/dp/B09TZSZN3J/ref=sr_1_1

Other than metal, amazon doesn't list washers harder than nylon.

Don't necessarily need them, but McMaster has harder, stiffer MOC options such as phenolic and PEEK

Looks like Jun used acrylic or polycarbonate, which is why I mentioned hard plastic.

@AlisterH Bolt Depot sells piecemeal, but add the 1st class mail charge, 50 from Amazon ends up the same cost (if you have Prime). I find a lot of uses for nylon washers, especially in micro sizes. Bolt Depot lets you buy 4 or 5 each in a range of sizes, and it's still a small order.

i really just need one that fits,im not to sure how the strength effects it but as long as it does what it needs to and it last long i am happy,thanks!

Hello everyone i got my hands on the reel earlier and i took it to a local reel shop to get it even more tunes and have the bearings immediately replaced to ceramic and WOW this thing flies. I can bomb lures across my fairly large pond and i dont know what you guys mean "it wont cant 1/4 very well" cause i managed to cast 1/4 just as good as 1/2 and even 1 oz. even before i took it to the shop. Thanks so much for your guys help and i do not need anyone to reply on this post further unless you want to, to share your wisdom and experience with the same or similar reel (i am always open to more information).Thank you!!

Jun described HLC was designed for casting 3/4-oz loaded JH (and much more) to 100m.

That's a pretty big chore - my bench Ambassadeur 6500CT gets that distance with 2 oz, though I have a 5500CT that gets there with 1/2 oz.

The HLC would make an excellent surf reel, matched with an 8-10' lure rod.

HLC factory brake tune should be marginal geting 1/4 oz past mid-cast, and marginal getting 1/2 oz past start-up. but again, it's made to "boost" start-up brake return to get maximum distance throwing the heavy end. If you're having no light-med-end trouble, sounds like you have a smooth, natural cast, and let the rod rebound and weight carry the cast with no jolt added to the rod. You probably don't need Jun's brake-tuning mod, which is intended to increase light-medium brake.

those ambassadors are super clean but I am using the HLC for standered jig and light swim baits fishing and it seems to work great for it,I'm taking it to Medina lake this weekend to test the drag if you know what I mean