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As we know, Bass are soical and stay in "schools", several bass swimming around together.

We also that bait fish, such as sunnies, also "school" together.

I gave this plently of thought. Spinnbaits are suposed to resemble schooling fish. Crankbaits are suposed to resemble single fish (assuming they are not craw colored)

Schools of bass feed on schools of baitfish, right? So wouldn't it make sense to have lures resemble larger schools of fish?

When a bass sees a small fish, it thinks "that would be yummy, if i could catch it." When a bass sees several small fish, it thinks "Dinner time. eat the easiest one."

My idea is this. Some how have several spinnerbaits being retreived at the same speed, same depth, all within 1ft of eachother. Basicly "Schooling" spinnerbaits.

I drew this picture to explain this. The red dots represent bass.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g9/catfishguy/spinnertheroy1.jpg

My theory is that when a bass or a school of bass sees a large group of small baitfish, it triggers their "dinnerbell" more than just one fish swimming along. Notice i said my THEORY. This is just an idea, i'm not saying any of it is fact.

As seen in the picture, there are 4 spinnerbaits being retrieve next to eachother aproching a wooden structure holding several bass. If the bass see the the lures approaching, my theory is that atleast some of them will move to investigate.

Of course, there are problems with my theory. The lines will become intangled if a fish is cought. It is difficult to retrieve 4 spinnerbaits right next to eachother, and it requires 4 people.

But, i have an idea that will solve the secconed problem and hopfuly the first.

Have a 3way swivel atached to your line. Depending on how many spinnerbaits are being used, you might need to put another on each swivel that doesnt have the knott on it. To help provent line tagles, put steel leaders on each outgoing swivel. Atach line to the leades, then spinnerbaits to the line.

The method is pictured here:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g9/catfishguy/spinnertheroy2.jpg

Of course, this methed also has its problems. it takes great force to retreive 3 spinnerbaits on one rod. Lines can still get intagled, and more that one fish could be cought at the same time, causeing exess pressure.

You could use crankbaits, but the treble hooks would create massive tangles.

However, i plan on giving this theory a try ASAP. Hey, you never know. :o

Anyway, what do you think? maybe it would work, maybe not?

maybe try this theory with buzzbatits? You have to admit it would be fun to see your buzzbaits get chomped on one by one.

and as i said before, this is a THEORY, nothing more and nothing less.

Please leave feedback ;)

Matt

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I don't think you would be able to cast more than one spinner bait on one rod. It seems like if you cast it with any sort of distance it would undoubtedly get tangled. It sounds like a good idea, but it might just be too complex for one person.

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I think it would definately work but i also think its highly unnecessary. The only advantage i see to this theory is trying to catch more than one fish at a time. Even if the fish did hit all 3 spinnerbaits, you would have 3 fish on one line! they would get entangled and maybe break eachother off, if they were anything over 2lbs it would be very hard to lip them all at once right? The idea of 4 people throwing 4 spinnerbaits is kind of neat though, but the idea with the 3 way swivel is just ludacris LOL. But hey you have nothing to loose right? so why not give it a try. -WM  :o

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sounded great to me, although deos need a little testing and troublshoooting. Ill give you a scenario, lets say more thatn one bass hits the rig 1-2 pounders would be hard but not impossible to land but two fish above that weight would be fighting so hard i cant see you landing them for one reason or another. Also you arm would be dead anfter an hour of fishing with several spinner baits worth of resistence perhaps, inlines? that would signifcantly reduce the drag wada think? and as for tangling ever see a booyah buzz bait with extended arm? you can make them with that semi stiff wire so they dont tangle

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I think it would definately work but i also think its highly unnecessary. The only advantage i see to this theory is trying to catch more than one fish at a time. Even if the fish did hit all 3 spinnerbaits, you would have 3 fish on one line! they would get entangled and maybe break eachother off, if they were anything over 2lbs it would be very hard to lip them all at once right? The idea of 4 people throwing 4 spinnerbaits is kind of neat though, but the idea with the 3 way swivel is just ludacris LOL. But hey you have nothing to loose right? so why not give it a try. -WM  :o

Acualy i have already tried it using 4 people. Myself, Fisherguy12, Bassholbuster14 and his younger brother did it.

IT was fun, we would all casy at the same time aiming for a sertain object, like a leaf.

And yes, your right about the lines getting tangled and snapping with multible fish on. Of course, i doubt a bass would hit one of the spinnerbaits once you had a fish on.

sounded great to me, although deos need a little testing and troublshoooting. Ill give you a scenario, lets say more thatn one bass hits the rig 1-2 pounders would be hard but not impossible to land but two fish above that weight would be fighting so hard i cant see you landing them for one reason or another. Also you arm would be dead anfter an hour of fishing with several spinner baits worth of resistence perhaps inlines? that would signifcantly reduce the drag wada think?

Yes inlines would be less drag, but you would also have to run them closer together to get the "school" effect, cousing more line tangles.

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In theory it sounds decent, but if you get 1 snagged, and cant get it unsnagged, you lose them all.  I once found 2 crankbaits that someone had tried your idea with, and lost.  I do think it would be good if you could figure out how to keep them from tangling.  Give it a try, you never know untill then.  I have done that with 2 different flukes while smaillie fishing.  You could rig up different colored spinnerbaits, and see if they hit one color more than the others.  I like the 3 way swivel idea.  I have read books where they suggest similar setups with crankbaits, and a grub in front of the crank.  

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In theory it sounds decent, but if you get 1 snagged, and cant get it unsnagged, you lose them all.  I once found 2 crankbaits that someone had tried your idea with, and lost.  I do think it would be good if you could figure out how to keep them from tangling.  Give it a try, you never know untill then.  I have done that with 2 different flukes while smaillie fishing.  You could rig up different colored spinnerbaits, and see if they hit one color more than the others.  I like the 3 way swivel idea.  I have read books where they suggest similar setups with crankbaits, and a grub in front of the crank.  

Exactly my point, why if you are on the boat ALONE why not just cast 1 spinnerbait, catch a fish, than cast again, catch another fish and repeat. Dont try to overdue it.

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I have a updated my theory.

as seen below, there is a flexable wire, about 1.5ft long, with your line attached in the middle. you then have a three lines that go to the spinnerbaits from the top, middle, and bottem of the wire. The line going from the wire to the bait would only be about 1ft long, greatly reducing tangles.

SPT.jpg

Exactly my point, why if you are on the boat ALONE why not just cast 1 spinnerbait, catch a fish, than cast again, catch another fish and repeat. Dont try to overdue it.

The purpose of my idea is not to catch fish faster, but that more bait fish triggers bass' feeding instink more than a single baitfish.

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someone owes me money when they get riiich!!! hahaha lol ;D ;D seriously if the spinners are small enough thats just crazy enough to work

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Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am almost positive Ive seen a rig like that before.  Possibly for saltwater fishing, but I don't know.  I do know I have seen it before.

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if my wire idea works and prevents line tangles, then only one problem remains. (that we know of) Having to reel that rig in.

And i have and idea to solve that.

Trolling. :o

Put that rig on heavy braid, on a 7' 6' Heavy rod. Cast her out and begin to troll.

Hey, you never know, if might work. I plan on building and testing the rig tomarrow.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am almost positive Ive seen a rig like that before.  Possibly for saltwater fishing, but I don't know.  I do know I have seen it before.

Yes they have large rigs like that for saltwater. But the purpose of this rig is to have anymany lures as possible as close as possible to eachother, to imitate a school of baitfish, thus triggering bass feeding habbits.

Hopfully it will work, and if it does i'll have my camera!

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if my wire idea works and prevents line tangles, then only one problem remains. (that we know of) Having to reel that rig in.

And i have and idea to solve that.

Trolling. :o

Put that rig on heavy braid, on a 7' 6' Heavy rod. Cast her out and begin to troll.

Hey, you never know, if might work. I plan on building and testing the rig tomarrow.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am almost positive Ive seen a rig like that before.  Possibly for saltwater fishing, but I don't know.  I do know I have seen it before.

Yes they have large rigs like that for saltwater. But the purpose of this rig is to have anymany lures as possible as close as possible to eachother, to imitate a school of baitfish, thus triggering bass feeding habbits.

Hopfully it will work, and if it does i'll have my camera!

Hpw are you going to troll in that canoe?

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I think it sounds like a good idea.  The rigs I saw like that were the same size in proportion to the spinnerbaits, and your drawing.  Give it a try, like I said before you never know untill you try it.  

What are you going to make the wire from?  And how will you connect the lures to it?  

If spinnerbaits work, you could also rig it with 2-3 of the same crankbaits, but in different colors.  

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Sounds pretty good...

Except one thing, fish school (I thought) for safety, the more fish there are, the more it confuse's the predator, on which one to grab, and sometimes he ends up grabbing none.

But other than that I think it would work.

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OK guys here is the latest scoop.

I have a Wire coat hanger bent out and into shape, it looks awsome. All i need to do is get the wire cutters and do some triming.

The problem with wire hanger if that it is heavy and thick. I want the wire to be as un-noticeable as possible.

Hpw are you going to troll in that canoe?

Two people paddle, one person mans the rods. :o

If spinnerbaits work, you could also rig it with 2-3 of the same crankbaits, but in different colors.

I think crankbaits would snag eachothers lines like nuts. I think this rig is limited to buzz and spinnerbaits.

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Sorry to get off topic here, but I think it needs to be brought to attention.

Bass DO NOT school. " A school of fish moves in unison, and live together.  Bass swim and feed together, but in groups more accuratly called aggregations.  They do not coordinate movements, but do prowl an area at the same time.  Their feeding efforts aren't coordinated, and they don't remain in the same group.  Therefore, bass don't exhibit true schooling behavior.  

 Bass do however group together in certain areas when actively feeding when drawn by the same food source.  If you catch one bass, usually more are in the same area. Bass of the same size, and ability also group together."

So remember aggregate, not school. Bass get together in aggregations, not true schools.  It is an incorrect myth, that continues to be passed along.

The preceding text was taken from the In-Fisherman handbook of strategies for Largemouth bass.

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Yes, bass may note "school", but this rig should work as good one on bass than on several.

Ok folks, here is the first rig, made from a bent coat hanger!

*drum roll*

IMG00007.jpg

It would be perfect if the wire was thinner.... :-[ But oh well, this is a work in progress.

yes, i know that a hanger will not hold up to a big bass, but there will be inprovments. I am thinking of useing the long coil of wire that holds together a notebook.

The whole rig weighs 4ozs. 1oz for each spinnerbait and 1 for the wire.

I will be adding a small weight to the last loop that should be the furthest down, to keep the rig ballanced.

I'll work on it late into the night, and update you tomarrow. :o

Matt

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I think it is absoulutely brilliant.  I love when people get these ideas.  Problem is so many people have fishing for so long it is very difficult to come up with something that is truly unique.  but that is not the issue.  What matters is that you are THINKING>  this has practically become a lost art in America. So kudo's to you.  Keep at it.

PS.  Bass Fisherman is correct.  There is a saltwater rig called an "umbrella rig" that utilizes the principle of imitating schooling baitfish.

Here is the Panther Marin version.  There are quite a few others.  run a search, but only to give you ideas of what others have done. Do Not let it deter you.  Keep on keeping on.

http://www.panthermartin.com/LureGroup.aspx?lureGroupID=30

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hmm. that umbrella thing-a-ma-jing is intresting. I wonder what type of material they use for the leaders that run the the lures. It looks likes some type of metal leader.

I think i will buy some metal leaders and use those instead of just plain line. I bet the leaders reduces tangles by a TON.

The umbrella rig gave me another idea.

SPT2.jpg

Put two swimbaits on the rig to give the bass a striking point. This will also help weight it down to keep it under the surface.

Matt

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heres a nother way to do this in my own opinion get acces to live bait hook 4-5 shads and just place them out in the watter all together off the same line, do not use a rod and place them connected to the boat. When u locate where there runign together throw the spinner bait among them non stop any fish cought on the live bait can be kept but in a tournament throw live bait bass back and keep the spinner bait fish. The thory i have is alot like deer huntign with a food plot,use the smalest hooks posible for the shad and aloww them to easity slip off. It like you said diner time for bass... I hope this idea will help, im kind of in a togough situation here at home and this is just a spare the moment idea, from trying not to think of some difficult things right now.

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