Well, if I am basically right that means I am soaking up something right LOL !  Thanx MFBAB for all the help !!

Nitro, you must keep in mind Buck is the starting point but he is not a stopping point. His definitions were valid for the time period in which they were written!

Example: We now understand that bottom compositions has more to do with where a weedline is is formed than water depth or water clarity. Some types of vegetation simply will not grow on certain bottom compositions. The place where two different bottom compositions meet is a breakline.

In rocky environments, a breakline    can also describe a line where rock meets mud, sand, pea gravel, extra.

Shallow water & deep water is relevant to each individual body of water. In larger bodies of water shallow & deep can be relevant to a specific area. Out on the main lake of Toledo Bend 20' is shallow water or in the marshes of southwest Louisiana 5' is deep.

Thanks Catt, I am remaining open minded about this whole thing I promise, what I am trying to understand and maybe I just have not gone over enough of the structure with a good sonar that I have in question, but, I am finding groups of fish on my lake in places that have no discernible breaklines to speak of, not like a creek channel or a ledge or even a change in the feel of the bottom from one type of structure to another where you can say Hey, this is what the guys were speaking about, I remember a post in the beginning where GeorgeWelcome was introducing us to current, I am left assuming that there may be an underlying current of some magnitude in this area even though I can not feel one with my bottom baits that I use, would current aid in the process of making structure like this productive?   

1 hour ago, Nitrofreak said:

 I remember a post in the beginning where GeorgeWelcome was introducing us to current, I am left assuming that there may be an underlying current of some magnitude in this area even though I can not feel one with my bottom baits that I use, would current aid in the process of making structure like this productive?   

Two quick points:

- Yes, current is just another form of (creates) a breakline

- A great quote from Don Dickson to keep in mind: "Now look, it's the breakline that forms the structure. If you have no breakline, you've got no structure - you've got a flat."

OK, one more...  Remember, Buck stated that a fish can be caught most anywhere, at most any time, on most anything. He even wrote about fishing backwater areas far from deep water and filled with vegetation, or shallow weeded over ponds. However, his "guidelines" were written in order to put the odds in his favor when approaching any body of water and trying to find and catch fish as quickly as possible. He felt the most catchable fish would be those found on or around the structure situations in a body of water. Similar to Catt's comment, they are not absolutes that negate finding or catching fish elsewhere in a body of water. They are guidelines to allow you to eliminate water in an orderly fashion to arrive at the fish regardless of where you are located in the most efficient fashion.

-T9

4 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

Two quick points:

- Yes, current is just another form of (creates) a breakline

- A great quote from Don Dickson to keep in mind: "Now look, it's the breakline that forms the structure. If you have no breakline, you've got no structure - you've got a flat."

OK, one more...  Remember, Buck stated that a fish can be caught most anywhere, at most any time, by most anyone. He even wrote about fishing backwater areas far from deep water and filled with vegetation, or shallow weeded over ponds. However, his "guidelines" were written in order to put the odds in his favor when approaching any body of water and trying to find and catch fish as quickly as possible. He felt the most catchable fish would be those found on or around the structure situations in a body of water. Similar to Catt's comment, they are not absolutes that negate finding or catching fish elsewhere in a body of water. They are guidelines to allow you to eliminate water in an orderly fashion to arrive at the fish regardless of where you are located.

-T9

Thank you very much !!!

Team9nine

“Also, shallower fish tend to be a bit more active, usually there to feed. Being more active, you can usually get by with a little less perfect presentation - they'll frequently move to the bait instead of you having to put it right on its nose.”

Somewhere around 99% of the bass fishermen will also be found “thrashing the shallows” lol

 

ps: y’all making my head hurt.....lmao