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#31 flechero

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Posted September 16 2006 - 10:18 AM

First off. NOT A JON!!

BASS BOAT!! Just mini.


Actually Skeeter made a mini... the SS90 was I think 15' or a little shorter.  I bet they are within your "budget" now-a-days!! (I for some reason think they made one smaller than that, which didn't sell well)

If you are talking about an electric only... you don't need a v hull. Why not take a deep jon and flip it over and add some wood flares to the sides for width and shape. Glass it from the top... that would solve your immediate need for a true form and when your done, your original jon pops out of the new hull. (assuming you coat it to prevent bonding ;) ) You could also run a ridge around the outer perimiter and have a good place to connect the "cap". You can build out the interior hull as you wish with livewell, storage, batt compartments etc. and then use structural foam in all the voids. Deck the top of it all as you please and go fish.

You gotta start with something... very few prototypes ever come out perfect on the first try.

Sounds like a costly endeavor but if it works out, it will be cool.
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Posted September 16 2006 - 05:36 PM

Why not just make a cat type boat with your choice of lightweight material (aluminum or plywood) spanning the 2 cat sponsons. The sponsons themselves could be extremely thin walled with the compartments built into them for batterys, tackle and rod storage. I'd probably make a battery compartment in both the front and rear of each cat sponson for a battery. The rest of the thing is yours to decide how you want to lay it out.  I'm sure you could get by with some of that composite boat material that Cabela's sells by the sheet to use for bulkheads in the sponsons.  fill the rest of it up with foam.

This would certainly settle any tipping problems, cat hulls are extremely stable at rest.
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Posted September 16 2006 - 06:05 PM

Cart, see your avatar?  take the motor off, level the floors where the consoles are and then shrink it to 12 ft.  that's what I'm picturing.

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Posted September 16 2006 - 07:19 PM

Hey Russ does it have to be glas have you thought about kevlar or will that jack the$ too high

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Posted September 17 2006 - 04:02 AM

Why not forget about tm's and an electric inboard etc. and go with an electric "outboard" ie. Briggs & Stratton or one of the others? If you want to have the best speed etc. it seems that would be the way to go and you don't have to reinvent the wheel to get there.

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Posted September 17 2006 - 05:48 AM

Cart, see your avatar?  take the motor off, level the floors where the consoles are and then shrink it to 12 ft.  that's what I'm picturing.


Here's where the problem comes in with what you're wanting to do.

We've seen lots and lots of conversions on here.  12's, 14's, flats, V's , modified V's, decks, no decks, you name it, we've seen 'em all.  The biggest downfall of all of them is weight.  The hardware weighs enough, add all that weight laden wood and there's the achille's heel.  Especially for those of us who fish electric water.


You say you want to take this (my boat):
and shrink it down.

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First you need to realize why my boat is designed the way it is.  V hull bass boats were built to provide the best possible high-speed ride in a variety of water conditions while not compromising the fishermen a stable fishing platform at rest.  The boat designers accomplished this by pushing the boat width out wide enough and using the internal ballast (weight of the sucker, ie: fiberglass, hull structural members, gas tank).  My boat is a 1986 Champion 184DC.  The beam is 86".  Champion built this boat in response to the Skeeter Wrangler, the first true V hull bass boat.  The Champion 86" hull was actually a modified HydroStream Performance boat hull redesigned for bass fishing applications.  The thing rides like a dream, one of the easiest and best performing bass boat hulls ever  BUT some people don't like them because of their tendency to roll if both anglers are on one side of the boat. I wouldn't call it tippiness, it's not that severe, it's just a nuance of the hull you have to get used to and a tradeoff for the great ride.  Other Vhull designers have flattened out their hulls, like Ranger, which gives you a much more stable at rest platform but the big water ride suffers.  The point I'm getting at is this.  The V hull is probably the worst design for a bass fishing boat if the need for a smooth ride in big water isn't needed.  In fact, it's the worst design and in your case with what you're wanting to do, probably not possible because you're wanting to remove the ballast of the hull which is part of what makes it stable to begin with.

Here, I think, is probably a better idea if your wanting some semblance to a Vhull bassboat but still have the fishing stability:

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This Cajun (it doesn't matter the brand, all the manufacturers were making these) was the second revolution in bass boat design.  It was an attempt at a Vhull bass boat.  Notice the V slicing from the front to back but notice something else?  Those side sponsons that ran up both sides of the hull.
These particular boats were around 74-78" wide, at least 10" wider than the previous old bathtub style, cathedral hull bass boats.  The designers though, felt that a true V that wide would be too tippy so they added those side sponsons to provide stability at rest.  Were these boats stable?  You bet.  Did they give a true, smooth, Vhull ride in rough water?  Well, no.  They were far better than the old bathtub style boats but those sponsons prevented the V from slicing through the waves.  
If you were going to lighten the ballast of the bottom of the hull, I'd think this would be a better design if you're wanting to try and keep the thing looking like a mini-bassboat.  Granted, adding the sponsons will increase the surface area of the glass and thus increase the weight of the boat hull but without them (sponsons), I'm afraid you're lightweight mini V hull would be tippy as all get out.
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Posted September 17 2006 - 05:49 AM

The elec outboards are

A. big and heavy like a reg outboard (more big than heavy)

B. BIIIG money!!

Speed really isn't an issue for me, I was just thinking of the Varner guys should anyone want to replicate this when I'm done.  A single 55 would do me fine but a 102 would do me better.  

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Good thought though, you guys are a great help with the brainstorming.

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Posted September 17 2006 - 05:57 AM

OK Russ, here's another idea you can chew on.  I suggested this earlier.

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A cat hull bass boat. This one is the Fast Cat bass boat.
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Posted September 17 2006 - 06:00 AM

Cart- looks like we posted at the same time, oops.

I totally plan on addressing the ballast as this is the main point that I also see as my main ro***.  I have 3 batteries to work with so far.  Keep in mind, 1 person boat.

My buddy from Whaler says that by bringing foam up into the full gunnel, this will address some of the side tom side stability but itn will never be as stable as a real bass boat unless I go as heavy and wide.  Basically the same thing you said.  But he is pretty sure that it will be plenty stable enough for 1 person to fish but may take a few hull designs to get it right.

Flaring out at the top of the gunnel may be neccessary, even if it is a 4-6 inch lip around the edge of the boat, again,..all foamed.  This would be a tricky part of the build.  I could do it but fomimg it with the proper amount of foam without seperating the 2 shells (topdeck/hull) may be tricky.

Still thinking.  

He also suggests a "flood" ballast.  Certain chambers that purposely flood for stability.  This approach seems a bit too techy for me.

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Posted September 17 2006 - 06:10 AM

That cat is a pretty wild design!  
Cat hulls are big for offshore here in New England in the last few years.  The maina I keep my Whaler at is now a dealer for Glacier Bay Cats.  I went for a cruise on one and was amazed.  Till we turned, then I almost got spit overboard!  Turning takes a little getting used to, wants to throw you as the boat does not pitch on a centerline.  Amazing boats though, handle anything with ease.

The purpose of this build would only be 1/2 function, 1/2 just to do.  The "one of a kind factor", the make people look twice thing.  I want you to look at it and see a basss boat but then have to look back and go wait a minute,...no motor,..and hey, no consoles,...and....man....that thing is short.  And then you just gotta go get a closer look.

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Posted September 17 2006 - 06:16 AM

A novelty boat that actual works, in other words.

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Posted September 17 2006 - 06:17 AM

That cat is a pretty wild design!  
Cat hulls are big for offshore here in New England in the last few years.  The maina I keep my Whaler at is now a dealer for Glacier Bay Cats.  I went for a cruise on one and was amazed.  Till we turned, then I almost got spit overboard!  Turning takes a little getting used to, wants to throw you as the boat does not pitch on a centerline.  Amazing boats though, handle anything with ease.

The purpose of this build would only be 1/2 function, 1/2 just to do.  The "one of a kind factor", the make people look twice thing.  I want you to look at it and see a basss boat but then have to look back and go wait a minute,...no motor,..and hey, no consoles,...and....man....that thing is short.  And then you just gotta go get a closer look.



Think bigger than that.
Design it for stability at rest for 2 people, even if it is a 12 footer.  You just never know. Imagine taking orders at the boat ramp.  Some unknown guy named Forrest Wood got started that way.   ;)
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Posted September 17 2006 - 06:20 AM

That's what Eric was saying, 12' is 12'.  He said if you and I can fish in this 12' space with no issue, why couldn't we do it on that, just because it is all deck?

The only answer I see is that the forward position will be slightly further back than on a jon to accomodate for the pointed bow of a bass boat as opposed to the squared bow of a jon.  

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Posted September 17 2006 - 08:26 AM

Hey Russ if you go to Cabelas or BPS sites and type in Pond boats there are several more like this I know its not glass but they may give you some layout ideas and all are prewired for and aft for trolling motors

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Posted September 17 2006 - 11:22 AM

There ya go. It has a V with sponsons.  Get rid of the open area and you've got a little mini-aircraft carrier.  ;D
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