so far this year i have had luck on silver flat tailed flukes with just the weight of a 4/0 hook on top water or let it slowly sink 8 inches. zoom trick worms neon green/yellow/pink fished the same way as a fluke, 7-10" plastic worms rigged for the bottom and finally four inch pwer grub on a 1/4oz jig head pumpkins seed, or green pumpkins, just all depends on clarity.