Thanks for the welcome guys, glad to find this site and hope to learn some things. Definitely seems to be a good group of guys and I will read through the whole thread may take me a while. Just an update for the couple of places I have stopped to check, Lake Potanipo only open water right at the dam only about 100 yards out and probably 200 yards wide the rest is ice and Melendy pond is about half open water. I checked those today haven't had a chance to drive anywhere else.