thanks guys, i have really enjoyed this board the last week since i joined. now i cant tell how many acres somehting is, so i will say its narrow- you can cast across pond, at both ends it opens so it looks like a dog bone. maybe its 100-150 yards long. but there are 5 lb'ers in there says my neioghboor the real fishing guy ( me, i am just a newbie right now) in fact i was embarrased if he ever sees my lures stuck in the think lilly pads due to poor casting. but i havent lost one in a couple of weeks. so i am gettign better. also i learned that you dont knock the tall cat-tails down to have s pot to stand. the DEC was there when my neighboor was fishing and said soemthing to him, in whihc he relayed it to me, and i felt bad. was ther eon mon, and will hit it ealry sat. then school starts for this PE teacher and with coachiong a HS sport my fall is shot. thanks, again ,kb