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I hear ya Koz. I don't mind Clemson when they loose at football, problem is they don't often loose! One reason I like N Carolina is cause they have lots of good basket ball teams, Duke, State, NC State and their football teams keep getting better too. I have no prejudice against any of them but in a given year I might like one slightly more than the other but I root for them all. Often, one or the other will take it all at something. I've heard they have some Walleye. Guess I need to get over there and seek them out. They are my favorite eating fish Next to Yellow Perch. When I lived in Ohio I used to go up to Lake Erie sometimes just to catch the perch.

Ive heard the helix are nice. But most who eventually buy a unit with side imaging wish they had done so sooner. It allows you to see more of the bottom with one pass so is great for finding structure etc. I like the garmin echomap series also especially the 73 and 74 SV chirp models which includes side view downview and is compatible with the newish Panoptix technology and of course includes GPS mapping software for a reasonable price. Chirp doesn't cost a lot more but gives you a cleaner, more accurate picture than non-chirp. Good luck fishing whatever you choose.

Much appreciated James.

Thanks.

Thanks Glenn Admin. Much apprecitated.

Thanks NHBull, though I don't know what you fixed? It's too late for me though to fix all my bad spelling.

Hope I'm not confusing you even more with my suggestion. I have a Garmin 74SV and like it a lot. I want to get the Panoptix transducer too but at the same time trying to pay off the credit cards I have and the two things I want to do don't quite coincide with each other. Ok my suggestion: If you do go with the panoptix, instead of the Panoptix Ice bundle I would buy a Echomap 73SV Chirp Or 74SV chirp and a Panoptix PS22 transducer. Then for less money you have the panoptix forward and down and a finder/plotter with sideview/traditional and downview or clearview as they call it now. You would still have some money left over to buy a 12v/12 AH battery (Amazon for under 30 dollars) and other accessories for Ice fishing. Just read over any item you buy carefully as there are still some non-chirp models out there and some models don't come with transducer especially some of the 73SV Plus models. For about 599 or less you should still be able to get the 74 or 73 SV and a grand for the PS-22. Looks like the panoptix Ice bundle is about 1800 dollars.

Finner, I don't mean to through a wrench in your plan but with you being new like me you might want to also explore the Garmin models. Why? Price, great GPS capability, Panoptix capability, very reasonably priced Sideview and Chirp, and easy to lean menu. If you shop around you can find a good Echomap 73SV or 74SV chirp model that has Sideview, Clear or downview and Traditional view. Also the 73SV and 74SV (7inch screen) Chirp model is compatible with Garmins Panoptix transducers. The 74SV is the salt water version and comes with great lakes and coastal maps and the 73SV comes with Lake maps. That said I have the 74SV which comes with both sets of maps (coastal and lake) and works great in the fresh water lake that I have so far used it in. If you do consider one of these models be sure it's the Chirp or plus model. As to the plus model it is the newest model in this series and features wireless and of course is also Chirp as well. Oh, here is an awesome deal on a 9" Chirp model with transducer: https://www.thegpsstore.com/Garmin-echoMAP-CHIRP-94sv-with-ClearVuSideVu-Transducer-P5098.aspx?msclkid=a5db44e814581c8516df1e5b014b1236

Dmack, I don't know if you have since made up your mind yet but I have been able to get out a few times with the Garmin 74SV Chirp that I recently purchased . I don't really have anything to compare it to so I don't know if the 73SV shows any more detail in shallow water but my 74 seems to be doing just fine in shallow water. The only lake I have used it in so far is right at 30 ft deep in the deepest part of the lake. I can clearly see individual fish and schools of fish etc really well with it. I can even see fish sitting on the bottom and individual fish stacked up. My 74 came with the CV51-TM Transducer. After buying it I was really concerned like you thinking I might have to buy a different transducer like the 50 to see detail well in shallow water. But my main concern was whether I could see fish OK, but having used it I can honestly say there is definitely no problem with the 74 seeing fish in shallow water. Same goes with structure, I have no problem seeing structure and I can see the fish in the structure as well. So the short of it is the 74 Works GREAT in shallow water and I couldn't be happier with my purchase (unless I had got it even cheper). I would like to sooner or later pick up a panoptix transducer for it also. It would be pretty awesome being able to stop or anchor my boat and still see the fish but you can't do that with anything I know of except panoptix. Next time I am in my boat I'll take some pics of the screen and paste them here. Terry

Thanks for clearing that up.

You can do it I'm sure without buying the ice bundle kit. Being budget minded, and with the PS21 selling for several hundred dollars less than the PS22 I'm wondering why a person can't just point the PS21 down instead of forward if they want the downview feature instead of sideview? In looking at the PS22 it has the same specks for the most part as the 21. The 22 like the 21 can't see in 2 directions at the same time, it has to be pointed down to see down and pointed forward to see forward. I'm not clear on why a person can't just point the 21 down if they prefer to see down instead of forward? Or would that cause a programming issue and confuse the the picture we see on the screen as it might still be assuming a forward view and not a down view if the 21 were pointed down? For what it's worth there are 2 versions of the PS21. One version, the PS21-TR is the Trolling motor version and has a 45 degree Beamwidth and then there is the PS21-TM which is the transome mount verson and has a 20 degree beamwidth which is the same beamwidth as the PS22. They all seem to operate at 417Khz. Just a thought.

No problem and wish you the Best of luck! What ever you end up getting I hope you let us all know and also how it works out? I-O Terry

That's good to know. As I said above, I got the info from the Garmin store website and wondered if it was accurate but apparently it wasn't. I"m glad it will work with your 74VS Chirp since that is what I also have. https://g.factoryoutletstore.com/Category/CategoryListNoCache.aspx?category_id=0&search_term=Garmin PS22

Blake, The deeper Pro+ sounds like a great product for what you want to use it for. Wish I had some experience with the castable finders but I don't. I just wanted to mention and you are probably aware that certain times of the year, like right now, fish are often in deep water not always related to structure. I have in the last few days been exploring a small lake in North Carolina. I have a Garmin 74SV Chirp on my Kayak. I can see the fish really well with it as long as I'm moving anyway. Most of the fish right now are in the deeper parts of the lake and there is virtually no scructure there. I'm talking about water 13 to about 30 feet deep. This lake actually has very little structure. There are a few man made structures but that's it for the most part. I did find a shallower lagoon with good amounts of fish but I also found that a lot of the lake had few to no fish in it right now. I did however see a few fish where the man made structure is but many more were in deep water with no structure at all. Guess what I'm trying to say is knowing where the structure is, is a great start but if you can actully see fish too then you have the best of both worlds. I don't think it would require a real pricy finder to see fish and structure and still be fairly portable. However I do have to say if fishing from the bank being able to cast you transducer would be a real plus. I guess this time of year with that device you could find the deepest spots you can cast to and try them out even if you can't see the fish? Good luck, Terry Go bucks! PS, I'm originally from Ohio near Newark.

Appreciate the comment/question. My plan was to eventually get panoptix for my Echomap 74SV Chirp and I probably will but haven't yet. When I wrote this topic I had not yet used my 74 and since the 74 is meant for bigger water I wasn't actually sure how well it would work on local lakes. However I have since used it and it works great! I can see structure and most imporant to me I can see fish just fine with it. I can't of course tell exactly where the fish are but pretty close. It appears to me with panoptix I could probably see exactly where they are and if they move I could see that too so thats pretty awesome in my mind. I wouldn't mind seeing the price drop a bit on the transducers, if they do that would likely make me strike. Oh yea also, once I anchor I really can't see the fish with my CV51 transducer, but with Panoptix I could still see them and know what direction and how far they are from me and more!

Hi, Due to the fact that I recently purchased a Garmin Echomap 74SV I have been looking at the various Panoptix transducers. I don't pretend to know a lot about them. I only know what the manufactures and sellers widely advertise and from youtube videos I have viewed. But since I have taken the time to try to figure out their differences I thought I would at least post that here. The other thing I would like to do is maybe consoidate any info any of you are willing to to share with everyone in this post so with your help this post could be a one stop knowledge base for this fairly new technology? Here is the little, in general I have been able to assertain: Model PS21. There are at least 2 part numbers for this Model 010-01588-00 and Model 010-01588-01. One is a trolling motor mount and the other a Transom mount. PS21-TR # 010-01588-00, Forward-looking Trolling Motor Transducer, Trolling motor shaft. or Barrel mount, Beamwidth: LiveVu & FrontVu (45°x90°), Maximum Range of 300Ft. Works even when boat is not moving. Generally priced between 7oo to 800 dollars. For Garmin GPS Models: echoMAP™: 70dv, 70s, CHIRP 72dv, CHIRP 72sv, CHIRP 73dv, CHIRP 73sv, CHIRP 74dv, CHIRP 74sv, CHIRP 75dv, CHIRP 75sv, CHIRP 92sv, CHIRP 93sv, CHIRP 94sv, CHIRP 95sv GPSMAP®: 1020xs, 1040xs, 7407xsv, 7408xsv, 741, 7410xsv, 7412xsv, 741xs, 7607, 7607xsv, 7608, 7608xsv, 7610, 7610xsv, 7612, 7612xsv, 7616, 7616xsv, 8208 MFD, 8212 MFD, 8215 MFD, 840xs, 8500 Black Box, 8530 Black Box,10X2, 12X2xsv, ECHOMAP Plus:7cv, 7sv, 9sv, GSD: 25 Premium Sonar Module. PS21-TM # 010-01588-01, This is a Edit: (this part number has a 20 degree Beamwidth)Forward Transom Mount Transducer, Range: 300 ft, It adds FrontVu and LiveVu Forward, The FrontVu sonar shows submerged obstructions after approaching them within a 300-foot forward range and helps you avoid collisions. It includes transducer transom mounting kit. Compatible with same model numbers as part # 010-01588-00. Priced 700-950. Another Edit: Just wanted to point out that other than the 21 having a transom version and a Trolling motor version the other difference is that the 21TM has a 20 degree beamwidth (like the 22) and the 21TR has a 45 degree beamwidth. PS22-TR # 010-01945-00, Forward-looking Trolling Motor Transducer, Beamwidth: LiveVu: (20°x100°), Maximum Range of 300Ft, For Garmin GPS Models: echoMAP™: CHIRP 72cv, CHIRP 72sv, CHIRP 92sv GPSMAP®: 10X2,1222, 1222xsv, 1242xsv, 722, 7407, 7408, 7410, 7412, 7416, 7607, 7608, 7610, 7612, 7616, 8417 MFD, 8422 MFD, 8424 MFD, 8617 MFD, 8622 MFD, 8624 MFD, 922xs. Cost 1000. This is an EDIT: I was also told by a reliable source that the 22 is also compatible with the 73SV-93SV Chirp and also the 74SV through the 94SV Chirp models. It's best however to check with Garmin first to be sure if your particular Garmin model is compatible with Panoptix before purchase. PS30 # 010-01284-00 Transom Mount Down Transducer, Provides 3 Remarkable Views (LIVEVÜ DOWN: Provides real-time moving sonar images (REALVÜ 3-D DOWN: Allows Boat to be Stationary & See Things in 3-D REALVÜ 3-D HISTORICAL: Finds Fish While the Boat is Moving). 300 ft max range. Cost 1500. Works with Garmin Model: echoMAP™: 70dv, 70s echoMAP CHIRP: 72dv, 72sv, 73dv, 73sv, 74sv, 74dv, 75dv, 75sv, 92sv, 93sv, 94sv, 95sv GPSMAP®: 1020xs, 1040xs, 421s, 441s, 521s, 527xs, 546s, 547xs, 720s, 740s, 7407xsv, 7408xsv, 7410xsv, 741xs, 7410xsv, 7412xsv, 7416xsv, 7607xsv, 7608xsv, 7610xsv, 7612xsv, 7616xsv, 840xs, 8417MFD, 8422MFD, 8500 Black Box, 8617MFD, 8622MFD, 8624MFD,10X2, 12X2xsv ECHOMAP Plus:7cv, 7sv, 9sv GSD: 25 Premium Sonar Module PS31 # 010-01284-01, Panoptix Forward Transducer. Maximum Range of 300Ft, Provides 2 Remarkable Views (liveview Forward and 3d forward), Transom and Trolling motor mount. Compatibility is same as PS30. Price is 1500. PS51-TH # 010-01753-00, Multibeam Thru-Hull Transducer,Forward-looking Thru-Hull Transducer, Maximum Range of 300Ft, Provides Remarkable Views: (LIVEVÜ FORWARD: Provides Real-time Moving Sonar Images), This transducer has a narrow beam, forward-looking sonar that focuses on the bottom in front of your boat and displays the bottom ahead of your boat in real time. It also includes an AHRS sensor for motion stabilization in rough water conditions. Price - 1500. Works with Garmin Models: echoMAP: CHIRP Chartplotter/Sonar Combo 7- and 9-inch Models GPSMAP:7400/7600 Chartplotter/Sonar Combo series, 8000/8200/8400/8500/8600 and 7x1/7x2/8x0/9x2/10x0/10x2/12x2 Series ECHOMAP Plus:7cv, 7sv, 9sv Hope this is helpful to someone. Terry

Thanks a bunch Michael!

Lonnie, Wow that is one awsome deal. Just a few days ago I saw a similar deal but almost a 100 dollars more and since it was the best deal I had seen in a couple weeks of continues searching and checking I bit. Had I waited 3 days I would have saved even more! Oh Well, what do ya do. I do think there may be some other subtle differences in the 73 and 74 other than the transducer and map! I only say that because in researching the specs of some transducers at the Garmin store I found the occasional transducer that was stated to work for the 73 but not listed to work with the 74 and vice versa. So I figured if the 73 and 74 were exactly the same they should share all the same transducers I would thinK? An example of that is the GT40-TM. At the garmin store it says it's for the Echomap 73SV. It doesn't say it's for any of the other Echomap units, not the 74 or 72 model units. https://g.factoryoutletstore.com/details/154975/garmin-010-12220-00.html?category_id=0&catalogitemid=138068 At the Garmin.com site they don't even list it as being compatible with any of the Echomap SV units. https://g.factoryoutletstore.com/details/154975/garmin-010-12220-00.html?category_id=0&catalogitemid=138068 Which all leaves me a little confused. It would be nice if a Garmin rep frequently visited this website and answered these technical questions for us.

5X3, Great question. As you probably know the GT40 Transducer is Chirp capable but I'm thinking your unit is probably not, so I suspect the 12 pin GT 40 Transducer may not work with your non chirp unit but I definitely don't know for sure. I hoped I could answer by googling CV40 and look up the specs and see how many pins it has. If it has 12 pins it has a chance of working but may not give you the chirp capability. But my search turned up no usable data. It's like the CV40 was only bundled with the SV units for a short time and never sold outright. I suspect the CV 40 is no longer made. Does your CV40 have 12 pins or 8 pins as the chirp models seem to all have 12 pins? There is probably someone who could answer that better out there for you but like Tander commented you may have to call Garmin to know for sure. Sorry I can't help more. Good luck.

That's a very professional looking set up. Good job!

Jim, To eliminate the noise from your motor you could try using some kind of EMI shielding wrap around your transducer wire where it passes along the motor and the motor wireing. Idealy it would work best if you solder or clip a wire to the wrap and ground the wire but you could try it ungrounded as it may also help. This type of tape is not a sticky tape so would need wrapped with tape or something to hold it in place once it's wrapped around your transducer wire. There are also shielded sheaths that kinda zip up around a wire but are generally more expensive. Here is the product I'm talking about and can be found on flea bay etc: SCOTCH BRAND 24 ELECTRICAL SHIELDING TAPE TINNED COPPER WIRE BRAID 1".

I worked in Electronics/communications for many years. As to avoiding interference it's best try to run lines you want to protect so they are not running parallel to any electrical or transmission lines. It doesn't hurt that much if the transducer cable crosses another line but if they are ran beside other lines or in the same wire bundle or conduit it can easily pick up interference. It might be overkill for a transducer wire but running a wire through a grounded metal conduit can eliminate any chance of interference. Terry

Thanks too AJ!

Hi Fish on, Terry here. I don't know much about these other than what I've read. But I was also looking at the panoptix and a little unclear of what model garmin finders the PS 22 is compatible with but per the Garmin outlet store it say's the following: For Garmin GPS Models: echoMAP™: CHIRP 72cv, CHIRP 72sv, CHIRP 92sv GPSMAP®: 10X2, 1222, 1222xsv, 1242xsv, 722, 7407, 7408, 7410, 7412, 7416, 7607, 7608, 7610, 7612, 7616, 8417 MFD, 8422 MFD, 8424 MFD, 8617 MFD, 8622 MFD, 8624 MFD, 922xs I would attach the link but not had much luck with attaching any links here so to to the Garmin store and type in PS22 This info had suprised me as I assumed the PS22 would work with a 73 or 74SV but according to this not so. However the PS21 will work with your 74SV and can be had for under 700 dollars. I believe I have the same unit (74SV) as you. Mine came with the CV51M-TM Transducer and the blue chart and Lake vu maps etc. Terry

Wow tom, that is one huge bass! Maybe I need to go to S Cal and so some bass fishing! I was actually out in that area when I was at MCRD (Marine Corps Recruit Depot) in 1970 both at boot camp and back there again in electronics school. While there, I hiked out into the Elcahone (spelling) area. It wasn't built up much back then but I bet it is now! Terry