1187 super mag with 4Buck. I don't want to "Hurt them", "damage them enough", or "scare them". If someone is in my house they are getting 5 rounds of 4Buck and if they are still moving I'm loading up 5 more.

Don't reload. Then they can get you with Intent.

I know. Says the man with 33 rounds loaded into a Glock. My defense rounds are also steel jacketed hollow points. Fricking things are hollowed out a d**n quarter inch. Supposed to leave a exit wound the size of a basketball. I gave up on Glaser rounds for these lovelies.

Intent is bs. I took two years of law enforcement in college. If you have the right to fire upon someone you have the right to kill them. That crap about having to stop shooting is bs.

One of the quotes from a professor I had really stuck in my head. He was giving a lecture on home defense, he was in this situation first hand. He shot a man breaking into his house in the middle of the night in a rural town. He never was charged with any crime, but when asked by the detective why he shot the man 11 times he said "because he quit moving before I could find my second clip". This man is a 30 year veteran police officer,  was the police chief for many years, and now teaches college criminal justice classes.

 

The one thing he really reiterated and kept telling us to always remember is if someone is in your house and you need to fire a weapon to protect yourself, NEVER STOP SHOOTING UNTIL YOU RUN OUT OF AMMO OR HE STOPS MOVING. Even a dying man can reach up and put a round through your skull, and it only takes one. If he stops moving, you keep that gun pointed at him and stand where you are until the police arrive. It is not your job, nor your obligation to see if he is dead or alive. You threat him like he can kill you at any second until the police arrive. 

Not sure what type of bike you have but on a road bike 9 miles is not that bad at all unless it is super steep hills.

I used to bike to work which was anywhere from 15-20 miles one way depending on the route taken and it really didn't take that much more time than driving....basically went from about 25-45 minutes on the commute.

I really need to get back into it though because every time i cut my grass and see my bike sitting there i know i should ride more often.

One of the quotes from a professor I had really stuck in my head. He was giving a lecture on home defense, he was in this situation first hand. He shot a man breaking into his house in the middle of the night in a rural town. He never was charged with any crime, but when asked by the detective why he shot the man 11 times he said "because he quit moving before I could find my second clip". This man is a 30 year veteran police officer, was the police chief for many years, and now teaches college criminal justice classes.

The one thing he really reiterated and kept telling us to always remember is if someone is in your house and you need to fire a weapon to protect yourself, NEVER STOP SHOOTING UNTIL YOU RUN OUT OF AMMO OR HE STOPS MOVING. Even a dying man can reach up and put a round through your skull, and it only takes one. If he stops moving, you keep that gun pointed at him and stand where you are until the police arrive. It is not your job, nor your obligation to see if he is dead or alive. You threat him like he can kill you at any second until the police arrive.

If you have to put 11 rounds into a intruder to end its life there is a problem. Most likely being a lack of training or a lack of marksmanship. Its one thing if you miss your mark. Its another to dump eleven rounds into a body laying on the floor. You can call it what you want. However if I dump 33 rounds from a glock or a hundred rounds from my AK into a body I'm gonna get charged with something. 'Honestly officer the first five hollow points blew his lungs and intrails out his back however I saw him twitch some more. So I figured I would turn him into a meat canoe just to be sure he was dead."

You are correct, I have no responsibility to make sure the intruder is alive or dead. I also have no responsibility as per the castle doctrine to let him leave my house unless its in a body bag.

By your logic I can dump three 33 round magazines into the intruder, 99 hollow points, and walk away like nothing ever happened. Ever heard of excessive use of force? Yup that still applies in your home. Hence why I can't drag the wounded intruder to a corner and execute him.

Also, the second you pull the trigger on that firearm. That is intent. Be it self defense or not. That action classifies as intent. Will you be convicted of it? Probably not. However it can and does happen.

I'm not trying to be combative. So please don't take it in that way. I reread and my post sounds kind of harsh. That's not the inflection I want it to have.

Intent is bs. I took two years of law enforcement in college. If you have the right to fire upon someone you have the right to kill them. That crap about having to stop shooting is bs.

 

Hey, that's awesome.

 

I have a Bachelor's degree in criminal justice and a bit of life experience. Intent is not BS. Armchair legal advice however....

Hey, that's awesome.

 

I have a Bachelor's degree in criminal justice and a bit of life experience. Intent is not BS. Armchair legal advice however....

Armchair legal advice is just one of the many services I offer. I'm also a armchair doctor, pharmacist, trainer, and all around guru of life in general.

Stayed at some Holiday Inn Express hotels I see.

Stayed at some Holiday Inn Express hotels I see.

Yup. Quite a few.

1943 mfg. Remington Rand USGI M1911a1. Belonged to a  Marine I knew who slept with it clutched in his hand in his fox hole on Iwo Jima in 1945. Good enough for him................good enough for me.

NUFF SAID

 

 

NUFF SAID

 

 

I like that riot pump. Very nice.

One of the quotes from a professor I had really stuck in my head. He was giving a lecture on home defense, he was in this situation first hand. He shot a man breaking into his house in the middle of the night in a rural town. He never was charged with any crime, but when asked by the detective why he shot the man 11 times he said "because he quit moving before I could find my second clip". This man is a 30 year veteran police officer,  was the police chief for many years, and now teaches college criminal justice classes.

 

The one thing he really reiterated and kept telling us to always remember is if someone is in your house and you need to fire a weapon to protect yourself, NEVER STOP SHOOTING UNTIL YOU RUN OUT OF AMMO OR HE STOPS MOVING. Even a dying man can reach up and put a round through your skull, and it only takes one. If he stops moving, you keep that gun pointed at him and stand where you are until the police arrive. It is not your job, nor your obligation to see if he is dead or alive. You threat him like he can kill you at any second until the police arrive. 

Here's something I posted here in the past. Don't know the validity but it makes sense http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2007/01/meditations-on-aftermath.html

Plain and simple if some P.O.S breaks in my house, he will get one chance to turn and run like the scum they are. That one chance is going to be when they here that 12ga pump getting cocked, if they stay to fight after that shame on them. If I have a choice of a family member getting shot or killed or some scum bleeding out on my carpet, well I guess I'll need new carpet and a lawyer.

An action is always quicker than a reaction however. I'd hate for you to **** that 12 guage and take a bullet to the head while doing so because the intruder was already alert and aware of your presence with gun drawn.

Remington 870 with #7 bird shot