What shimano reel has Micro Modular Gearing but not X-ship???

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What shimano reel has Micro Modular Gearing but not X-ship???

 

 

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And thus my reasoning that Micro Modular Gearing requires the use of x-ship which utilizes bearing supported pinion.

 

They have to use extra bracing for those smaller teeth and its the x-ship that is the extra bracing.

 

No x-ship = no MMG

I started this topic, now I am bored to tears with it.....lol. Totally lost interest in it......BYE.

Hootie

Just curious, what does that bearing support then? Theres no bearing under the cast control cap?  Im not sure of the older model shimanos because Ive only started using baitcasters recently. But other than the Met, Exsence and Aldebaran BFS, my shimanos only have 2 bearings supporting the spool. One under the cast control and one on the other side in the palming side plate. Im looking forward to getting a Tatula 

There is a bearing under the cast control but you have to go to the other side of the sideplate to get to it. The diameter of the inner race is very small (fits the spool shaft obviously) so it doesn't exactly support the bearing. If you look at a shimano reel with x-ship, it has 2 bearings under the spool tension knob (may be on other side of the sideplate) where the one closest to the pinion gear has a large diameter to fit on the pinion gear, and the outer bearing (they are next to eachother if I remember correctly) is a spool bearing to fit the spool shaft.

 

The tatula with air rotation does not have the extra bearing under the spool tension, just the one spool bearing. The only bearing that is supporting the pinion gear is obviously the bearing that was in that pic you posted.

 

The older model shimanos (b series) have no bearing on the pinion gear. They started using a single bearing on it in I believe the SF reels.

There is a bearing under the cast control but you have to go to the other side of the sideplate to get to it. The diameter of the inner race is very small (fits the spool shaft obviously) so it doesn't exactly support the bearing. If you look at a shimano reel with x-ship, it has 2 bearings under the spool tension knob (may be on other side of the sideplate) where the one closest to the pinion gear has a large diameter to fit on the pinion gear, and the outer bearing (they are next to eachother if I remember correctly) is a spool bearing to fit the spool shaft.

 

The tatula with air rotation does not have the extra bearing under the spool tension, just the one spool bearing. The only bearing that is supporting the pinion gear is obviously the bearing that was in that pic you posted.

 

The older model shimanos (b series) have no bearing on the pinion gear. They started using a single bearing on it in I believe the SF reels.

I should have said spool tension instead of cast control because to me they are the same thing lol. I have 2 xship reels and there's only 1 bearing directly under the cc knob. The xship bearing is closer to the spool. In any event I think its 2 different ways to get to one goal :-) its just more plausible to me that that extra bearing in the tatula would contribute to the air rotation feeling instead of claiming its caused by digitally designed gears. Good debate though!

I started this topic, now I am bored to tears with it.....lol. Totally lost interest in it......BYE.

Hootie

LOL would it be better to banter about a new color for the curado you know something important not like its features.

 

I say drop the green go medium blue with maybe some yellow accented caps, spool, handle and just rename it the Shimano CHARGER,

I should have said spool tension instead of cast control because to me they are the same thing lol. I have 2 xship reels and there's only 1 bearing directly under the cc knob. The xship bearing is closer to the spool. In any event I think its 2 different ways to get to one goal :-) its just more plausible to me that that extra bearing in the tatula would contribute to the air rotation feeling instead of claiming its caused by digitally designed gears. Good debate though!

Does the inner race of that bearing fit the pinion gear or the spool shaft? I saw a parts diagram of the ci4+ and it looked like there was 2 bearings under the cast control knob (between the CC knob and the pinion gear, not just right under it). Maybe it was a spacer or something and I just saw it wrong..

 

When you say the extra bearing, are you comparing it to a lexa (or other low end daiwa that uses a full spool shaft, not FF spool) with no bearing here:

The lexa does not have this bearing here and the pinion sits loosely in the yoke (like it did in the B series curados/citica, etc).

When I opened up the tatula for the first time, and saw this bearing here, I immediately though that this is what air rotation is. There is no second bearing on the other end of the pinion in the tatula though, other than the spool bearing which is found under the CC knob (not accessible from outside of sideplate). The inner race diameter of this spool bearing is small, and fits right on to the spool shaft, not the pinion. It does not even make contact with the pinion at any point I believe. That is why I say it is not supporting the pinion directly.

 

 

When you say there is only one bearing under the tension knob on the Shimano reels with x-ship, do you mean directly under the knob? What about on the other side of the handle sideplate? Is there another bearing that fits onto the pinion gear?

rename it the Shimano CHARGER,

If they call it that they better have 4 side plates on it

Does the inner race of that bearing fit the pinion gear or the spool shaft? I saw a parts diagram of the ci4+ and it looked like there was 2 bearings under the cast control knob (between the CC knob and the pinion gear, not just right under it). Maybe it was a spacer or something and I just saw it wrong..

 

When you say the extra bearing, are you comparing it to a lexa (or other low end daiwa that uses a full spool shaft, not FF spool) with no bearing here:

The lexa does not have this bearing here and the pinion sits loosely in the yoke (like it did in the B series curados/citica, etc).

When I opened up the tatula for the first time, and saw this bearing here, I immediately though that this is what air rotation is. There is no second bearing on the other end of the pinion in the tatula though, other than the spool bearing which is found under the CC knob (not accessible from outside of sideplate). The inner race diameter of this spool bearing is small, and fits right on to the spool shaft, not the pinion. It does not even make contact with the pinion at any point I believe. That is why I say it is not supporting the pinion directly.

 

 

When you say there is only one bearing under the tension knob on the Shimano reels with x-ship, do you mean directly under the knob? What about on the other side of the handle sideplate? Is there another bearing that fits onto the pinion gear?

You should pull that bearing out and see if it makes a difference in the retrieve vs with it in? I don't want to go off topic in this thread anymore but I'll break down my curado tonite and send you a PM. :-)

You should pull that bearing out and see if it makes a difference in the retrieve vs with it in? I don't want to go off topic in this thread anymore but I'll break down my curado tonite and send you a PM. :-)[/quote

This bearing supports the pinion and not the spool. Think about it how could the pinion pass through this bearing and engage the spool shaft pin if the hole in this bearing was the size of the spool shaft. The spool shaft passes through the i.d. of the pinion. This is the same as the Shimano SF design.