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Does anyone have a cure for this? I have a few specific lures that spin and get their hooks tangled in the line frequently on the cast?

 

 

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Which baits ?

 

A-Jay

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Sorry, should have probably posted in fishing tackle forum???

 

Would anyone buy that I posted here because the line does get tangled in the hooks???? :grin:

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Which baits ?

 

A-Jay

The main culprit is an Xcaliber wake bait. I have four of them in different colors, and it is an issue with all them???

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If you're fishing braid, especially some of the lighter stuff, they are prone to tangling up in baits.

 

Adding a leader usually fixes it.

 

A-Jay

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Thanks for replying A-Jay. I am mostly fishing 12-15 lb. big game and occasionally #10 or #12 yo-zuri hybrid ....happens with both lines.

 

I had a chance to make a few casts today, fishing with curado 101D with #10 yo-zuri, curado 50E with 12 lb. big game, and a curado 200E7 with #12 yo-zuri, tried two different wake baits and it happened with each, on each set-up???

 

Nice baits, and they catch fish, but they are really frustrating to have to "untangle" them 3-4 times out of 10 casts or so.

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Are you using a snap?  Sometimes this will cause a problem with line tangle.

 

Jeff

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I am using a duolock snap. I always use a snap, and don't have this problem with other lures? Thanks for opening my eyes Jeff. I will try direct tying next time to see if that helps.

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Are you using a snap?  Sometimes this will cause a problem with line tangle.

 

Jeff

 

X2 - as usual- Jeff's right on it.

 

Also - not so much the reel, but the rod.

 

Perhaps a softer rod action would help launch the bait smoother so that it doesn't tumble as violently.

 

Makes you appreciate baits with a weight transfer system.

 

A-Jay

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X2 - as usual- Jeff's right on it.

 

Also - not so much the reel, but the rod.

 

Perhaps a softer rod action would help launch the bait smoother so that it doesn't tumble as violently.

 

Makes you appreciate baits with a weight transfer system.

 

A-Jay

I never would have considered it was the snap because I always use them....good learning point.

 

I tried them on a medium fast, MH fast, and medium moderate rod today and as I think about it, I had slightlly fewer instances with the moderate rod...

 

I may try putting on some KVD 1x short hooks on front as well, just to see if that helps.

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try different casting speeds/styles - some baits need a smoother acceleration - hard to describe - also a-jay's idea of a softer rod is probably a good one. I've had some degree of success by lengthening the amount of line from the rod tip to the lure.

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I never would have considered it was the snap because I always use them....good learning point.

 

I tried them on a medium fast, MH fast, and medium moderate rod today and as I think about it, I had slightlly fewer instances with the moderate rod...

 

I may try putting on some KVD 1x short hooks on front as well, just to see if that helps.

 

Good Luck -

 

btw - I have that hook on 97.36% of my treble hook baits.

(I'm very specific about my percentages)

 

:eyebrows:

 

A-Jay

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2.64% of the time you miss that bite??

:)

Jeff

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Thanks for the replies...I have a few items to try!

 

BTW this lure tangles on 38.43% of my casts with it :laugh5:

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try different casting speeds/styles - some baits need a smoother acceleration - hard to describe - also a-jay's idea of a softer rod is probably a good one. I've had some degree of success by lengthening the amount of line from the rod tip to the lure.

I will give the line length differences a try as well. I almost always cast with appx. a foot of line from rod tip to lure. I will try lengthening/shortening this to see if that helps solve the problem. Thanks.

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What causes the line fouling the hooks is the lure tumbling end over end. You need to keep the lure from tumbling by adding slight line pressure during the cast. Takes a little practice.

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Length of drop from the rod tip, as has been said previously. If you lengthen the drop from the rod tip it will make you cast more smoothly and the bait fly better. Snappy roll casts are a problem with some less stable baits, so you have to adjust your casting technique to compensate for their instability.

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I had the same problem with spinnerbaits. It was my casting technique. I bet if you slow your technique down you are essentially rolling the bait causing the spin. Slow down your cast and I bet it will correct itself. For me it was only on the sidearm cast. It's hard to explain it but I realized I was casting side arm and swooping under and casting and the bait would rotate pretty badly.

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As soon as we get some warmer weather, I will be able to try and eliminate this issue. Thanks to everyone who has responded.

 

jcs4324, I normally cast overhand, and do not try to cast a mile...I just try to make a nice, smooth cast. Something to keep an eye on though. Thanks.

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I've thrown a large, jointed lure on a spinning outfit and it will "helicopter".  Throw the same lure on a baitcaster, with a little tension on the brake, and it won't "helicopter".   Just that little bit of tension on the line will stop a lot of the tangles.

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As soon as we get some warmer weather, I will be able to try and eliminate this issue. Thanks to everyone who has responded.

 

jcs4324, I normally cast overhand, and do not try to cast a mile...I just try to make a nice, smooth cast. Something to keep an eye on though. Thanks.

 

There is your issue.

 

Considering the bait and you are casting overhand, that is the culprit. If you are familiar with other wake baits (316 Wake Jr is notorious for helicoptering), they do the same thing with an overhand cast. Try a sidearm lob. It should all but eliminate the twisting of the bait in the air.

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Good Luck -

btw - I have that hook on 97.36% of my treble hook baits.

(I'm very specific about my percentages)

:eyebrows:

A-Jay

60% of the time it works everytime

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This definitely has to do with casting motion. The same thing applies to casting certain Jerkbaits far. You have to have a smoother acceleration and a side-arm cast and just a tiny bit more line pressure to get them pointing straight. If you get a Jerkbait "helicoptering" you are asking for backlash.

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