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I have been getting breakoffs at the knot to lure connection with flouro line.     I'm NOT talking about the braid to flouro connection.  Specifically my knots are breaking at the lure.  this is with heavy (30 lb) braid and different lures.....I'm asking what you experienced flouro guys use for knot strength and manageability.  

PS>   The knots (different knots)  Are BREAKING....not slipping or coming undone.   this question is only about line, not knots.  

so let's hear it anglers...What's your favorite flouro and why? Thank you

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I switched to 25lb Yo-Zuri fluorocarbon leader material, and break offs became a thing of the past. 

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Could really use a little bit more info. Brand and pound test fluoro., on certain setups only, proper use of reel drag, etc. Until further info, it sounds like you are simply overpowering your knots with your setup. It's pretty rare for me to break knots on hooksets with fluoro, and if/when it does start happening, it's usually because the line is finally starting to go bad, or I failed to properly maintain that aspect of the setup. That said, in tests I've seen, InvizX  had the best overall knot strength of most major brands of fluoro tested. I'd have to believe Tatsu would be right up there with it. I use them both, along with Toray. Usually the softer and more manageable fluoros will also have the better knot strength, while the stiffer or harder brands will have less strength.

-T9

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FC line has created more knot strength issue than any other line on the market. Ask what a good knot is and you will get dozens of suggestions because no knot works good.

General rule is 75-80% knot strength.....if the knot is tied properly and wet when tightened.

Sunline Super Sniper is a good, popular brand of FC.

Seagar is another popular FC brand and offers several types. 

I use the San Diego jam knot with FC to lures or hooks and achieve about 90% + knot strength.

Tom

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29 minutes ago, WRB said:

FC line has created more knot strength issue than any other line on the market. Ask what a good knot is and you will get dozens of suggestions because no knot works good.

General rule is 75-80% knot strength.....if the knot is tied properly and wet when tightened.

Sunline Super Sniper is a good, popular brand of FC.

Seagar is another popular FC brand and offers several types. 

I use the San Diego jam knot with FC to lures or hooks and achieve about 90% + knot strength.

Tom

Ditto 

 

Mike

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it could be the brand of FC your using. or it could just be your not wetting your knots before tightening them down.Or (this is what I really think it is) You are letting the knot rub to much on itself. Use a improved clinch knot but when you start to tighten it just use your fingers to push the knot down to the hook (or lure)

 

the more the FC rubs on itself the weaker it gets, Its very dense and with break if it is compressed on itself. So use the improved clinch knot. wet it really really REALLY good, and slide it down to the hook then tighten it. Good luck!!

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From my experience with many brands of flouro the two big issues with flouro are that if it gets kinked it will break easily and if the knot is not lubed it will fail easily.  But, even the simplest knots, if they are not knots that kink the flouro sharply, will work just fine with a couple extra turns and lots of spit, slowly draw them down, then push them quite hard with a thumbnail to "set" the knot.  I test before starting to fish by pulling quite hard on the lure, but I don't get failures.  

I see the improved clinch knot recommended above, and I agree it's a good flouro knot when done as I mention above.  Even the simple, unimproved clinch works well with about 7-8 turns and the method mentioned above.  If the knot is "set" then the flouro is permanently deformed into the shape of the knot, and it won't slip as flouro is said to do.  But don't kink it, and lube it well.

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For all my knots I use improved clinch knot and never have an issue, ever. I wet before i clinch it tight and i literally have never had a problem and I set the hook hard. The only times I use a different knot is when im using a flippin hook, then i use snell knot. I have used the more expensive fluoro but right now most my rods with fluoro have Red Label and I cant even list one complaint. Hope you figure it out!

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The knot is always going to be the weakest point unless there is other damage to your line.  If you're talking about the knots breaking when the line is 'supposed' to break, like pulling off a snag, I wouldn't worry about it.  If you're having unexpected break offs that you are 100% sure are at the knot, it's probably a poorly tied knot.  Re-tying frequently helps, I'm sure knots can weaken over time even if there is no visible damage.  The only other variable is using appropriate line size for the technique, which we have to assume you are since you didn't specify the flouro size and/or what you were doing.

I have never seen a noticeable difference in knot strength in any of the brands I've used...But FWIW, I'm a fan of Seaguar lines - Specifically Red Label with a little AbrasX here and there.  

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I use 12 lb Berkley 100% Fluroro and and I tie a Polamar knot with it. I use it because I have zero issues with it, and that combo works very well with one another as far as not breaking. 

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