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Take a look at this video.

 

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Thanks for that. Just a fantastic message. I spent 50k on my education from a large state university in Kentucky (Go Big Blue), b/c it was what I was told to do, and after struggling with the job market, I became a plumber. Almost 10 years in, and I've never been more happy...if only i could finish paying my student loans ???

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There is a series of videos showing the actual costs of being a professional fisherman. Just to compete at the pro level its $100k in annual expenses.

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Never follow ur dream.  Be sensible and get an education.  

****the following message has been paid for by Prager Univeristy and spokespersons were compensated****

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1 hour ago, ClackerBuzz said:

Never follow ur dream.  Be sensible and get an education.  

****the following message has been paid for by Prager Univeristy and spokespersons were compensated****

Did you watch the video? Mike Rowe emphasized that there are a lot of college graduates looking for a limited number of jobs while there are millions of jobs going unfilled because the degree did not give them the skills needed.  Getting a college education was not the point of his remarks. Don't follow your passion, but bring it with you when you get the opportunity. 

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oh i watched it.  along with their other videos..

Fossil Fuels: The Greenest Energy  

(yes you read that correct; "The more we have used fossil fuel the cleaner our water has become!".  I'm rarely left speechless but that did it)

and...

How do we make society better?  Left vs Right #5  

(another gem)

that's all the Prager University I can take.

Scott, I like Mike Rowe, Mel Gibson and Tom Cruise.  I like them on screen but just don't like following them down their rabbit holes:eyebrows:

 

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Pro: "Man, I want to become a (insert job X)" 

"Dang I'm really good at bass fishing I'll just do that!"

 

 

I bet that's how it works

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I work at a major University and, paradoxically, I believe a good percentage of students here either don't belong here OR belong in a different field.  I'm kind of the "Ron Swanson" of academia.  Every year they seem to tack on more worthless Gen Eds and seem to raise tuition costs exponentially.  Fortunately, I work in a discipline where the curriculum actually LEADS to a specific career so I can, at least, live with myself.  Somewhere along the way our culture has convinced everyone that a college degree is the be all/end all of life and without it, we will all be unsuccessful.  Applied Science degrees are generally looked upon as the red-headed step child for those who can't "make the grade."  Colleges and universities in particular, have grown to become a monster that feeds on itself.

On 6/25/2016 at 11:41 AM, ClackerBuzz said:

Never follow ur dream.  Be sensible and get an education.  

****the following message has been paid for by Prager Univeristy and spokespersons were compensated****

I think the message was actually somewhat the converse of this.

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The man speaks a lot of truth.  While being a professional bass fisherman would seem to be a really cool job, I think being a professional bass fisherman would take all the fun out of bass fishing. Getting skunked would be a lot more than just a frustrating days fishing. 

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On gold rush Parkers grandpa John said it all. You need to have the motivation and drive for success and never give up even when we lose. Stay going.

ive had many different jobs during my working carrier. I started out fixing lawn mowers at 7 yo. A car mechanic at 13, 4x4/truck repair by 15. Rebuilding machines by 16, CNC machine builder by 18, by 35 I was a lead engineering tech for the biggest elevator company in the world. I worked for the world head quarters engineering. I did welding and fabrication, support the r&d, product life testing, new product development.

the funny part is I started out as a high school dropout. I had enough of school and wanted to work. At 65yo I'm retired with four incomes. I worked two and three jobs my whole life. Never sit back and think things in life will come to you for free. I worked for everything I have. In the beginning I was happy to have a P&J sandwich and a Coke to wash it down.

Henry Ford wasn't that well educated. Look what he did for the world?

Drive and Motivation = success, never give up.

with each new job that came along so did the benefits and wages got better.

be a pro bass fisherman. If you have the skills and the motivation.

Overall do want you enjoy going the salary is the icing on the cake. You must be happy at your job. I had jobs I hated inbetween other jobs but I used them as stepping stones to get better jobs.

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On 6/25/2016 at 9:42 AM, slonezp said:

There is a series of videos showing the actual costs of being a professional fisherman. Just to compete at the pro level its $100k in annual expenses.

That's why I have Redline sponsor me. :grin:

It's his contribution to my charity. Take A Raider Fishing. Very generous for a 49ers fan. Now if only he would contribute to my other 2 charities. Buy A Raider A Mansion, and Buy A Raider A S65 AMG. 

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On June 25, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Kyhokie said:

Thanks for that. Just a fantastic message. I spent 50k on my education from a large state university in Kentucky (Go Big Blue), b/c it was what I was told to do, and after struggling with the job market, I became a plumber. Almost 10 years in, and I've never been more happy...if only i could finish paying my student loans ???

Here lay a cruel joke on the middle class.  Many of us were duped into thinking that college was the answer.

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27 minutes ago, Rick Howard said:

Here lay a cruel joke on the middle class.  Many of us were duped into thinking that college was the answer.

Going into the trades is the answer.

I'm too cool for school. Even though I went for a year and a half before getting thrown out and being told not to come back.

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Like once a month a number calls me and asks if an Estaben is there and i'm like no please stop calling me and I still get called every month haha now I just think its funny and I mess with them.

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I believe some here have misunderstood. College may or may not be for you. However if you say want to be a nurse, or just about any medical field dds good luck with that never give up getting you there. Unless your using that never give up attitude to get the college education you can kiss that nursing job good-by. 

Yes trades are hard to beat but even those to some degree now days require some schooling background. 

This doesn't mean you will fail without college. Sure many have made a living quiet well with no college. But certainly college does have its place. Doesn't mean I agree with it or like it. I have a daughter in college right now. It's not cheap. But even if she doesn't use it it's her degree and is always there to fall back on. I don't see the harm in that.

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1 hour ago, Raider Nation Fisher said:

Going into the trades is the answer.

I'm too cool for school. Even though I went for a year and a half before getting thrown out and being told not to come back.

I was a union carpenter for 8 years before things went bust. It was good money, unfortunately I'm making almost $10 per hour less now, but I work year round. If a guy can get into a secure trade job without union representation, that would be the way to go IMHO. Way to many politics and bs for my taste, but I know a lot of guys that are successful at it. 

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There are a lot of people not cut out for the trades. Trust me, I've worked with them. The reality of it is, some people aren't cut out to do anything more than flip burgers and work as a cashier. Not like either of those is a bad thing, our economy needs burger flippers and cashiers just as much as it needs tradesmen and corporate big wigs.

As a country, we'd be better off if courses like "how to create a budget and live within your means" and "how to respect your fellow man" and "the world doesn't revolve around me" and "think with your head and not with your heart" and base judgment on facts and not opinions" were taught in middle school and high school.

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1 hour ago, S. Sass said:

I believe some here have misunderstood. College may or may not be for you. However if you say want to be a nurse, or just about any medical field dds good luck with that never give up getting you there. Unless your using that never give up attitude to get the college education you can kiss that nursing job good-by. 

Yes trades are hard to beat but even those to some degree now days require some schooling background. 

This doesn't mean you will fail without college. Sure many have made a living quiet well with no college. But certainly college does have its place. Doesn't mean I agree with it or like it. I have a daughter in college right now. It's not cheap. But even if she doesn't use it it's her degree and is always there to fall back on. I don't see the harm in that.

Let me clarify my statement.  I highly value education, however the cost is to great.  Many young people go to college and end up with ridiculous debt unless they were poor enough to get grants or rich enough to pay for it without loans.  The sad part is they were coaxed into this position by guidance counsellors who operated under the theory that so long as you get a degree you will have a good job.

I am now working on a second career that requires college again.  At least this go around I am prepared for and understand the implications (good and bad).

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, S. Sass said:

IYes trades are hard to beat but even those to some degree now days require some schooling background. 

While this is just add for a school. If it wasn't for school. I would not have gotten the job I started a few weeks ago. Granted it took me A year and a half to find a job. Every place was looking for entry level machinist with 2-5 years of experience. Then the pay was usually less then what I could have made working at a factory. So I stuck to crappy jobs in till I found a machine shop job. I wont go in to my current pay, but they took experience, school, and other things in to my pay. I feel like I am getting paid a fair amount. Also if every thing works out right. Over the next year I will be seeing a 2 dollar a hour pay increase. I can say I am not crying about that.

All the trades that generations before me learned in the real world. Now require at least some sort of schooling. Welders, Machinist, construction, Plumbers, Maintenance etc. Now all require at least 2 years of school. In some sort of of way. There is very little learning on the job any more. That kind of makes me sad. My dad was a welder/machinist. He learned on the job. He then taught me. I am happy he did that. Becasue I wanted nothing to do with the metal working trades, but I have come full circle and I am enjoying it. With out him teaching me. I don't know were I would be.

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4 hours ago, slonezp said:

There are a lot of people not cut out for the trades. Trust me, I've worked with them. The reality of it is, some people aren't cut out to do anything more than flip burgers and work as a cashier. Not like either of those is a bad thing, our economy needs burger flippers and cashiers just as much as it needs tradesmen and corporate big wigs.

As a country, we'd be better off if courses like "how to create a budget and live within your means" and "how to respect your fellow man" and "the world doesn't revolve around me" and "think with your head and not with your heart" and base judgment on facts and not opinions" were taught in middle school and high school.

Wow man, you just blew my mind! If I may add a course to your schedule, learn to take polite criticism and use it to improve yourself. 

 

Sorry, father of a 15 year old girl right here?

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Prager is hit and miss. At the very least they offer a conservative viewpoint to balance out the intense progressiveness in academia.

But this video is very good. I think the best thing said and a good summary to the video is, well, the summary he gave- "Never follow your passion, but take it with you wherever you go". Great advice there.

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1 hour ago, frosty said:

Wow man, you just blew my mind! If I may add a course to your schedule, learn to take polite criticism and use it to improve yourself. 

 

Sorry, father of a 15 year old girl right here?

I raised my stepdaughter from 6, she's 27 now. It's still frustrating.

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5 minutes ago, slonezp said:

I raised my stepdaughter from 6, she's 27 now. It's still frustrating.

Oh great. Just when I was thinking there were only a few more years of insanity...:annoyed1:

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26 minutes ago, frosty said:

Oh great. Just when I was thinking there were only a few more years of insanity...:annoyed1:

Boys are much easier

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1 hour ago, slonezp said:

Boys are much easier

I have one of those to, he's 2 so I've got insanity coming and going!

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