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This pond is almost too thick to fish moving baits. Frogs are over fished so I’m thinking heavy jigs and flipping. That’s really all I can think of. This moss is almost covering the entire top of the pond. Crankbaits and spinnerbaits aren’t really an option. I might try some weedless rigged plastics. Any thoughts?

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Punch rig, AJay will come along with a photo :).

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What about a t-rigged swimbait on weighted belly hook to keep low in water column? You want to throw it along weedlines, points etc.. look for irregular spots in thick matts like holes or openings. The swimbait will cover water faster and once you find fish you can slow down with flippin/pitchin jig.

 

 

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Punching has been mentioned so I will add a senko. If you can hit the open holes with it everyone around you will be running to the store to buy senkos.

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3 hours ago, gobig said:

Punching has been mentioned so I will add a senko. If you can hit the open holes with it everyone around you will be running to the store to buy senkos.

X100!!  I catch most of my Bass in the heavily matted Potomac by T-Rigging a 5 inch Senko with a screw in nose weight.  Deadly to drag across the tops of mats and let fall through the holes.  You just have to rig the bait with more plastic forward of the hook so that the screw in weight doesn't hit the eye of the hook which is buried in the bait.  I also bury the hook point in the bait a little deeper all the while remembering that you have to have a very stout hookset.  

 

The other bait I would suggest is a Texas rigged Yamamoto DShad.  You can dance it across the top of the mat and once over an opening, twitch it like a dying  or injured baitfish.  Due to the heaver than normal weight of the DShad, it will also free fall in the openings better than other fluke style baits.  

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2 hours ago, TOXIC said:

X100!!  I catch most of my Bass in the heavily matted Potomac by T-Rigging a 5 inch Senko with a screw in nose weight.  Deadly to drag across the tops of mats and let fall through the holes.  You just have to rig the bait with more plastic forward of the hook so that the screw in weight doesn't hit the eye of the hook which is buried in the bait.  I also bury the hook point in the bait a little deeper all the while remembering that you have to have a very stout hookset.  

 

The other bait I would suggest is a Texas rigged Yamamoto DShad.  You can dance it across the top of the mat and once over an opening, twitch it like a dying  or injured baitfish.  Due to the heaver than normal weight of the DShad, it will also free fall in the openings better than other fluke style baits.  

I do this a lot too.  But I use a weightless t-rig Senko.......Cast as far as I can and jerk it slowly across the top, when I get to a hole I drop it in, give it a bit of time, jig it a couple times, pull it up and jerk it to the next hole.  I've caught bass while it's moving across the top, and while it's jigging in the hole. 

Heck I caught my one and only musky, a 48"er doing this when I dropped it in the last hole before getting back to my kayak for another cast. 

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If you're gonna punch, a short compact plastic with few apendenges will be your best option. 

D Bomb,  Why Not, Sweet Beaver etc.

You can use a punch skirt if you like also for added bulk. 

 

The one A Jay makes as Tom mentioned is a great setup.

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, gobig said:

Punching has been mentioned so I will add a senko. If you can hit the open holes with it everyone around you will be running to the store to buy senkos.

To that I add, as I always do, weightless Trick Worm. Drop in those holes and just let sink on a slack line. But you'll have to go get some of those fish because they'll bury up in the mat and a MH spinning rod ain't gonna drag them out.

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Everything mentioned here I have done, and caught pigs doing it.

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3 hours ago, the reel ess said:

To that I add, as I always do, weightless Trick Worm. Drop in those holes and just let sink on a slack line. But you'll have to go get some of those fish because they'll bury up in the mat and a MH spinning rod ain't gonna drag them out.

Oh shoot, how’d you know I have a MH spinning rod?👀

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this a simple rig that will catch fish. a pegged 1 ounce tungsten weight (or heavier, if that doesn't penetrate). A 3/0 HD trokar straight shank flipping hook, 65 lb braid, and a Gambler BB Cricket in either junebug, Bowens silver, or whatever color you prefer. If the fish are in the mats, the BB Cricket will get bit.

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As always it comes down to what is extremely heavy cover? It's obvious that a weightless or nail weighted Senko couldn't penetrate extremely heavy cover because there are no open holes, only several inches of floating mats of reeds, various aquatic vegetation that no mater how you try to wiggle a light weighted soft plastic it will only sit on the top. Heavy cover with open holes is another story.

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24 minutes ago, WRB said:

As always it comes down to what is extremely heavy cover? It's obvious that a weightless or nail weighted Senko couldn't penetrate extremely heavy cover because there are no open holes, only several inches of floating mats of reeds, various aquatic vegetation that no mater how you try to wiggle a light weighted soft plastic it will only sit on the top. Heavy cover with open holes is another story.

Tom

Is this a question or an answer? :lol:

 

(The pond is really thick on top with a few holes and it’s pretty thick underneath)

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It's both; clarification of extreme vs heavy. What may appear extreme to one angler isn't to the majority. Heavy would be ducks can swim through it, extreme the ducks walk on top of it as an example.

Do you have any idea what lays below the surface weeds? What type of aquatic vegetation the pond has? Bass can't swim through heavy dense vegetation, the swim under it, alone walls and through tunnels within the vegetation.

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6 hours ago, WRB said:

It's both; clarification of extreme vs heavy. What may appear extreme to one angler isn't to the majority. Heavy would be ducks can swim through it, extreme the ducks walk on top of it as an example.

Do you have any idea what lays below the surface weeds? What type of aquatic vegetation the pond has? Bass can't swim through heavy dense vegetation, the swim under it, alone walls and through tunnels within the vegetation.

Tom

I have not a clue what is under the weeds, the ponds has moss, duckweed and algae. I fished it once and haven’t been back. Ducks definitely couldn’t walk on the top. I fish in ponds that have hardly any moss at all so my extreme is heavy. I didnt have any baits for heavy so I just needed ideas.

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Pretty thorough thread but I'd add two things. A top water toad like a Stanley ribbit will cover water faster than a frog and give them a different presentation. You can also kill it and let the toad sink in open holes. Another technique I like as an alternative to a frog is a weightless Texas rigged tube on top of the mat. I never see anyone doing this, but it's caught fish for me when the frog bite is off and they want something even more subtle.

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19 minutes ago, lbriggs said:

Pretty thorough thread but I'd add two things. A top water toad like a Stanley ribbit will cover water faster than a frog and give them a different presentation. You can also kill it and let the toad sink in open holes. Another technique I like as an alternative to a frog is a weightless Texas rigged tube on top of the mat. I never see anyone doing this, but it's caught fish for me when the frog bite is off and they want something even more subtle.

That toad idea is pretty good, I usually look over them and I’ve been meaning to pick up some bass tubes. 

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I don't punch very much. Now thick lillies i try to find every little open hole and drop a senko or light weighted speed craw in. If it's wood, 5/16 oz weighted speed work or salt craw. Results as always may vary. Try what you feel comfortable with man.

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3 minutes ago, kingmotorboat said:

I don't punch very much. Now thick lillies i try to find every little open hole and drop a senko or light weighted speed craw in. If it's wood, 5/16 oz weighted speed work or salt craw. Results as always may vary. Try what you feel comfortable with man.

It’s not lily pads, it’s thick moss.

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2 minutes ago, TylerT123 said:

It’s not lily pads, it’s thick moss.

I know a pond like that. Most success I've had are on wind blown banks with a senko. Crawl it over the thick stuff work like a jerkbait in the open

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1 minute ago, kingmotorboat said:

I know a pond like that. Most success I've had are on wind blown banks with a senko. Crawl it over the thick stuff work like a jerkbait in the open

Used senkos like crazy last year, never failed

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The great equalizer

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