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ICAST 2018 - Pedal Kayaks - Pelican, Riot, etc. (Title Change)

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Coming at ICAST.

Start watching at 2:34...

Mirage Drive patent expired, I guess.

 

 

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Pretty cool. We'll see how it performs and how it holds up. I'm interested in seeing what the price will be.

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38 minutes ago, IgotWood said:

Pretty cool. We'll see how it performs and how it holds up. I'm interested in seeing what the price will be.

Indeed. Another site was speculating it'll be the first under $1000,

but I have trouble seeing it that low.

 

No reverse unless they figure a way that doesn't infringe on Hobie's

current patent for reverse (which is not expired)...

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23 hours ago, Darren. said:

Indeed. Another site was speculating it'll be the first under $1000,

but I have trouble seeing it that low.

 

No reverse unless they figure a way that doesn't infringe on Hobie's

current patent for reverse (which is not expired)...

Currently their top dog fishing kayak has a MSRP of $850 so $1000 would be a unrealistic guess on pricing I would think. If I was going to guess I'd think around the $1500 price point might be doable for them. 

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Some more details:

 

http://www.yakoutlaws.com/pelican-kayaks-new-kayaks-icast-2018/

 

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The Catch 130HD measures 12 feet- 6 inches in length and 34 inches wide. It features the new HyDryve™ pedal propulsion system that’s adjustable, easy to install, and easy to operate. The Catch 130HD weighs approximately 85lbs and has a 425lb max capacity.

 

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The Catch 130HD will be available to consumers beginning in 2019.

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Unconfirmed, but some hearing it will be priced around $1500.

 

Putting in range of Perception Pescador Pilot.

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1 hour ago, Darren. said:

Unconfirmed, but some hearing it will be priced around $1500.

 

Putting in range of Perception Pescador Pilot.

That's the kayak I was thinking the price point would target also. Not really sure why they targeted a mirage drive clone on their first dabble with a propelled kayak. Maybe it's the Hobie is like the Apple of kayak mentality at play. The lack of instant forward to reverse and back is the major drawback to the mirage drive type system for me at least. I guess it would be interesting if they somehow one upped Hobie and devised a work around to enable it. 

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On 7/8/2018 at 9:50 AM, Darren. said:

No reverse unless they figure a way that doesn't infringe on Hobie's

current patent for reverse (which is not expired)...

 

2 minutes ago, kenmitch said:

 The lack of instant forward to reverse is the major drawback to the mirage drive type system for me at least. I guess it would be interesting if they somehow one upped Hobie and devised a work around to enable it. 

That's my thought, too. I'm sure there's a way around it, but exactly

how many patents for reverse does Hobie own? My guess is they have

a few patents on the matter.

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Just now, Darren. said:

 

That's my thought, too. I'm sure there's a way around it, but exactly

how many patents for reverse does Hobie own? My guess is they have

a few patents on the matter.

Hobie can't patent reverse. Only the way it's implemented can be patented....Unless they did one of those vague Apple style patents. Paddle driven drive system with the ability to go forward and reverse.

 

Easiest and fastest way would be to allow the peddle assembly to do a 180. What it would take to do that while being secure/stable when under way would be the biggest obstacle to overcome. Probably doable with the right design.

 

Another way which would take more design work would be something like a double pump of pedals to allow the lower units rotation. This would be the best option but would take some engineering skills to pull off. Might suffer from longevity issues if not done correctly. I'd imagine it's out of Pelicans league and more like a future Hobie version of the mirage drive.

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Just now, kenmitch said:

Hobie can't patent reverse. Only the way it's implemented can be patented....Unless they did one of those vague Apple style patents. Paddle driven drive system with the ability to go forward and reverse.

Well, of course that's the case. I assumed everyone would understand in the context of the discussion I wasn't referring to the act of "going in reverse" :) ....

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1 minute ago, Darren. said:

Well, of course that's the case. I assumed everyone would understand in the context of the discussion I wasn't referring to the act of "going in reverse" :) ....

I couldn't resist throwing some Hobie/Apple pun around....That's all.

 

You do have to remember the US patent system is somewhat broken and does grant some pretty silly patents at times. It's just a matter of who has the $'s to fight and get them invalidated and if the reward is worth the risk. I'd imagine when it come to fishing kayak the $'s required wouldn't be worth the risk.

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Hobie has the Mirage Drive 180; see video below.  It is indeed patented. This looks to be a carbon copy of the original Mirage Drive that is on my Hobie Compass.  So much for "We are world leaders in the design and manufacture of kayaks, canoes, pedal boats and fishing boats."  I wonder how their drive system will hold up.  They're not known for making super durable boats.  At any rate, I wish them luck with their release.  At $1500, it's awfully close to the price point of the Compass.

 

I haven't found the lack of reverse a problem, but I'm not often fishing close to shorelines.  I have experimented with reversing the drive system and it works for times you're getting blow into shore.  You don't even need to sit down, just grab one of the pedals and give a couple of flicks, whether forward or reversed.

 

One of the other advantages is the the low profile the drive system has when pedals are angled away from each other.  Here is a pic of my Compass, beached, drive system still intact.  Next, a video featuring myself, and the guys from Anglr Tour.

 

IMG_1037-X3.jpg

 

 

 

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JFrancho,

     How are you liking the Compass? I have been wanting to demo one but it is always rented. I'm thinking about a back up boat for my PA14 and is car top-able. I suspect it is probably faster and more maneuverable then the PA14.

Love to hear your thoughts on the Compass so far.

Fishingmickey

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As for Pelican durability, actually, the model I started with, is

still going strong, bought it in what, 04, 05 or 6? My 4 sons have

beat the crap out of it (so-to-speak) in fresh and salt, dragging

to and from docks, etc. Actually, I've instilled in them to take 

care of the gear so it'll last. Point being, it's been used hard and

often and is leak/crack free up to now.

 

From the looks of the drive area in this new one, it appears to

be reinforced with a separate molded housing. But yeah, time 

will tell its durability. I know some Hobies have had issue in

the Mirage Drive area with cracking...but they seem to be on

that and taking care of issues reported.

 

As Hobie's patents expire, others will join the fray if it's easier

to wait and let Hobie front the engineering builds/expenditure.

I imagine Hobie has several patents on 180 varieties, though I

have not done the searching in the patent dbs on the matter.

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Watch the video.  I love it.  Recently installed an anchor trolley, and the Marine Mat.  Very maneuverable, light weight, sleek, stable hull, simple, wide, comfortable seat.  My only complaint is that I'd want another 8" hatch standard up front.  It can be added easily, though.

 

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3 minutes ago, Darren. said:

I know some Hobies have had issue in

the Mirage Drive area with cracking...but they seem to be on

that and taking care of issues reported.

I don't see this as an issue to look out for in any current models.  The Drive are is VERY beefy on the Compass.

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1 minute ago, J Francho said:

Watch the video.  I love it.  Recently installed an anchor trolley, and the Marine Mat.  Very maneuverable, light weight, sleek, stable hull, simple, wide, comfortable seat.  My only complaint is that I'd want another 8" hatch standard up front.  It can be added easily, though.

 

IMG_1059-X3.jpg

 

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IMG_0991-X3.jpg

Definitely a sweet ride. Earlier this year I was eye shopping and watching

vids on this boat. Stable, fun, quick, "light" on the water. All good things.

Compelling ride.

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Scroll down a very short ways, ~8hrs ago he went live from ICAST

in the new Pelican, and in video and comments confirms MSRP of $1499...

 

https://www.facebook.com/lovekayak.fishing/?hc_ref=ARRdy1bzTwgt9HC27y3wLYgjpk5_c6ia9DPMc4Z4vClxq7otjJC5pdLWjxUY4ffu72I

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Here's another video:

Available at Dick's?

 

 

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Watching the videos it seems like it might be a decent kayak for somebody who's going from a standard kayak to a propelled kayak and can live without reverse. It would be a step up and would save at least the forward paddling in the end.

 

I never kayak fished in my life till I bought my Slayer 10 Propel so maybe it's the reason why I feel the need for instant reverse in the end. I've hooked more than one feisty fish that pulls my kayak around while zigzagging to the left and right while diving under my kayak and just can't grasp what it's like without it. 

 

How do the non propelled kayaks deal with the wind and current pushing you towards structure? You just avoid those spots? Hope you don't hook that fish of a lifetime?

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5 hours ago, kenmitch said:

Watching the videos it seems like it might be a decent kayak for somebody who's going from a standard kayak to a propelled kayak and can live without reverse. It would be a step up and would save at least the forward paddling in the end.

 

I never kayak fished in my life till I bought my Slayer 10 Propel so maybe it's the reason why I feel the need for instant reverse in the end. I've hooked more than one feisty fish that pulls my kayak around while zigzagging to the left and right while diving under my kayak and just can't grasp what it's like without it. 

 

How do the non propelled kayaks deal with the wind and current pushing you towards structure? You just avoid those spots? Hope you don't hook that fish of a lifetime?

Have to agree, reverse is a big deal for me, too. My Ultimate

is set up with a trolling motor (BassYaks style), steered via 

foot pedals (awesome stuff). Countless times I've had to use

reverse when I've caught a fish and needed to back up due to

wind blowing me into structure...

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On 7/11/2018 at 12:04 PM, kenmitch said:

 

How do the non propelled kayaks deal with the wind and current pushing you towards structure? You just avoid those spots? Hope you don't hook that fish of a lifetime?

Anchor

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23 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Anchor

Well...there's that! :D 

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27 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Anchor

 

3 minutes ago, Darren. said:

Well...there's that! :D 

They just deploy the anchor in the heat of the battle....That would really suck.

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