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I am planning on buying either a 12ft jon boat or a 12ft canoe with a square stern.  But I cant decide which one would better suit my needs.  I know the jon would probably be cheaper, but I think that the canoe would be easier for me to transport and easier me to get in and out of the back of my truck when I am by myself.  I don't have a very big backyard so I am thinking that the canoe would be easier to store.  Also, I am worried that canoe whould not be as stable as the jon, especially since the weather down here in southern Louisiana is fairly unpredictable.

I would acctually love to get a kayak but my fiancee said that she would want to go with me sometimes so that pushed the kayak out of the question which i am fine with.

What do you guys think?

Thanks,

T-Bone

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I would buy the jon boat. It is more stable and it will not tip as easily as a canoe if you have someone along with you. Ask Rondef about his expeirience with a canoe and he will tell you that sometimes they are unpredictable.

Good Luck and be sure to post a pic of your new purchase

-Nitroman :(

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But I cant decide which one would better suit my needs.

What are your needs?

but I think that the canoe would be easier for me to transport and easier me to get in and out of the back of my truck when I am by myself.

Why? Is there a significant difference in weight? The square stern canoes that I've seen aren't very light. For what it's worth, my partner can get his john boat in and out of his truck by himself.

I don't have a very big backyard so I am thinking that the canoe would be easier to store.

I don't understand this one.

Since you're talking a canoe with square stern, that would mean that you're talking about using a motor. For strict motor use, I'd choose the john boat. On the other hand, if you often fish in heavy weeds where a motor can't get through, and you'd have to raise the motor and paddle, then the canoe would be better for that.

Unless you have particular needs where a canoe would be more suitable, I'd go with the john boat.

I bought a canoe last year but I had needs that only a canoe would meet.

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A 12 ft canoe is not stable.  Your fianc ée would ride with you only once.  If y'all didn't tip then I am sure you would have some unstable scary moments unless you both have great balance.

Get a jon with a trailer if you can.

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Def. a Jon.  I had a canoe and recently sold it and went with a 10 ft Jon and I like it much more.  The flat back canoes I have seen may be around the same weight as the Jon but much more awkward to move.  Also, I put the jon in the back of my SUV without to much trouble.  Much easier than getting a canoe on the roof.

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Had a 12 foot jon boat years ago.  Have a 15 foot canoe today.

I had the experience of capsizing the canoe earlier this year when I reached over the side of the boat with the paddle to poke at something.  Good thing the water was warm and shallow.

It happens faster than you think.

Keep in mind.  A fishing boat is never large enough.  You can always use more room.  

Go with the jon boat.  It's more stable.  It has more room for gear.  

The canoe is working for me......for now.  But I'd prefer a jon boat, so I'm going to build one.

Regards, Tom

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You don't say if the motor you plan to use will be electric or gas. If you are going with an electric the long narrow hull of a canoe type boat will give you more speed and battery life. Have you considered a 13 ft. Gheenoe? They are very stable and give the advantages of a long narrow hull without the tip over factor.

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You don't say if the motor you plan to use will be electric or gas. If you are going with an electric the long narrow hull of a canoe type boat will give you more speed and battery life. Have you considered a 13 ft. Gheenoe? They are very stable and give the advantages of a long narrow hull without the tip over factor.

TM - The Gheenoe is an interesting idea.  I'm using a canoe now and I'm concerned about the stability issue, but I don't have the yard space for a trailered boat, so whatever I have must be carried and cartopped.  The only thing is I probably can't handle it myself since it says it weighs over 100#.  I'm gonna have to get a strong fishing buddy to help.

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A 13 ft. Gheenoe should not be a problem to handle. I have a 15' 6" Gheenoe that I bought new in 1980. I  stored it upside down on a rack and just walked under it , put it on my shoulders and carried it to my truck and slid on top of the topper. I am certainly not built like Hercules although I must admit a few years ago I finally bought a trailer for the boat as I am now entering my sixth decade. They are very stable boats and stand up fishing is not at all a cause for concern. I use only electric power so the long narrow shape is a lot easier to push than the square flat end of a jon.

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Travelin Man is on to something.   Gheenoes are supposed to be very stable by all accounts i have read.

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i go fishin with my dad all the time in one of the 12ft canoes the summer camp he works at has.  Just trying to balance in the canoe kills the fun of fishing.  Funny story actually, I went to the beach yesterday, and there was a father mother and kid, and they're boat was way high up on the boat ramp so I offered to launch them and they said sure.  So I launched them into the tidal river started to walk away and then looked back real quick and all of them were in the water were screaming  ;D.

I would say either a jon boat or two kayaks for you and whoever goes with u

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I actually prefer a canoe to a jon boat.  I fish rivers and it's much easier for me to get around in a canoe, especially when I'm by myself.  I have a cheap plastic 14' canoe right now and love it.  It's a handful by yourself but you can do it.  

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Im not to sure about the 12ftr you speak of, but I owned a Great Canadian 16ft Sportsman Series, this was incredibly stable and as wide as my 10ft JB. My older brother and his wife own it now and they use it in the salt ponds and inlets here in RI.

When I fished alone, I had no trouble moving about the canoe. I liked my canoe but thats a tuff choice for me.  I think if I had a bigger JB it wouldnt be an issue.  Think I'll go 14ft next.

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If you plan on fishing often and alot of places....JB is the only way to go

Big O

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We used to fish from a canoe on our pond back in the day, it was such a pita. Every time either person so much as shifted their weight or moved wrong it'd feel like the whole d**n thing was going to flip over. Had to concentrate on everything except fishing in that thing.

We've got an Alumacraft now with a little trolling motor, 100x better for fishing. Lots more room, d**n near impossible to flip and much more enjoyable to fish on.

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I would have to say the john boat, it's much more sturdy! You can also have more wight in the boat, it's also gonna be easier to at m motor on, even with the kind of canoe you what. John boats are also better more bass, since you can stand in them with less of a worry of the boat tipping.

I added a poll so if people don't what to post anything, they can just use the poll.  :(

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Im jumping back in here, Im not sure if you made your choice and I really dont know what your needs are....if your fishing alone and thinking of buying new, take a very good look at the Adirondack Sportsman Series from Great Canadian, the width on these are wider then some JB's and the capacity is greater then some JB's up to almost 14ft. Now Im not down playing the role of a JB but I've owned both and like I mentioned before, If I go JB again it would have to be 14ft. But if Im pulling solo fishing trips more, I'd go canoe. No Doubt.

http://www.greatcanadian.com/canoes_sport.html

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I grew up riding and fishing in a 17 foot aluminum Grumman canoe.  Personally I don't care all that much for canoe fishing cause it is hard on my back, no place to lean back to rest a moment and trying to balance while moving around isn't pleasant either.  That's what strains my back the most.

But if you do go with a canoe, try to get one that has as deep a keel as possible.  You'd be absolutely amazed at what a difference in stability there is between an aluminum canoe with a straight piece of metal for a keel that's about 2 inches wide vs. a plastic canoe that just has a swelled ridge running from tip to tip along the bottom.  They're just rounded off keels, allow for severe rolling from side to side with very little movement to cause it, and are not at all stable like the aluminum one I grew up with.  

But even so, the aluminum canoe will be no where near as stable as the flat bottom of a jon boat.  Yeah, a short narrow jon boat will tip some but it won't flip like a canoe will if you lean over to wash your hands off in the water.  And one time of flipping a canoe in water that's over your head will ruin you for wanting to fish out of it after you lose an expensive combo or two and all your tackle, and the trolling battery will be ruined as well, if not lost completely.  Also, the canoe we had was absolutely impossible to stand up in, but a jon boat might allow you to do that depending on how large of one you get.  

On a side note, I want to add that I never have flipped a canoe, but came pretty close a time or two.  Dad bought it new before I was born (pre 1974) and he had flipped it a few times in learning to use it but by time I was able to go along he knew how to handle it and taught me.  Now my brother has it and still uses it to this day.  It's held up great to be over 35 years old.    

Also, I don't know how deep a jon boat will draft water, but the canoe we fished out of was capable of crossing over water that was only 6 inches deep.  Sometimes we would drag bottom in sandy bottomed creeks but we kept going right on with minimal effort and we never used a motor at all, just paddles only.  I do have to say that we were able to get into some good places thanks to that canoe and caught some fish and had memorable times that we would otherwise have not had.  Come to think of it, this post was about 1/2 advise on what to do and 1/2 reliving old memories.  

Even though I had some good times in that canoe, I would still opt for the jon boat if I was to get a smaller boat again.  

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well....

based  solely on the "12 ft." parameter, id say get a jb.

a canoe that size cann be dicey and esp if your wife wants to go with you that may end badly.

HOWEVER.....

if you can get a 14 or 15ft. GHEENOE..... well then that is by far the best idea. they are the best of all worlds.

my buddy and i go fishing out of his 15ft. gheenoe and we are both 200lbs. with  our gear and a cooler.....u get the picture. weve been out in that thing in choppy inland waters and never had an issue. we can stand up (not at the same time) and stretch or whatever.

the only drawbacks are room.... and seat backs.  if you put an aftermarket seat on them, you raise the center of gravity and it gets hairy.  canoe seat backs work fine though.

a 14ft. johnboat is the same or less stable than the equivilent gheenoe unless you get a high-side nice one like a g3 in which case u are trailering it.

also.... weve been running a 4 horse on the gheenoe with our big  butts in it and it ran just fine on plane. thats not gonna happen in a square jb.

and...... if you have engine problems or shallow water problems..... u can ALWAYS paddle a gheenoe!

i love em.

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