16 minutes ago, .ghoti. said:

What the heck does that mean?

In fishing rods Toray is whats commonly referred to as carbon fiber. This is the satin black opaque blanks used on the high end Japanese rods at first and now common in the American market. Its twice as strong and half the weight (approximately) as regular graphite and has a more progressive load pattern. While the price of many rods dont reflect it, the cost is very similar. This is the stuff rods like the Dobyns Xstasy are made from.

14 hours ago, bogfrog said:

 

In fishing rods Toray is whats commonly referred to as carbon fiber. This is the satin black opaque blanks used on the high end Japanese rods at first and now common in the American market. Its twice as strong and half the weight (approximately) as regular graphite and has a more progressive load pattern. While the price of many rods dont reflect it, the cost is very similar. This is the stuff rods like the Dobyns Xstasy are made from.

Really? From whence cometh this load of high grade fertilizer? Do tell.

5 hours ago, .ghoti. said:

Really? From whence cometh this load of high grade fertilizer? Do tell.

The aviation industry and the space shuttle program fell for it as well. The PAN carbon fibers they use are exclusively Toray, since they are the only ones who make it. Im not affiliated with this company in any way, and nobody is paying me a red cent. I just thought I would share some information that some might find valuable. Im just curious as to why you think I would lie about this. I dont work for any rod blank manufacturers either, never have, but I have taken their calls when they wanted my opinion.

Friendly site you have here....

Didn't say you were lying. I implied you are mistaken. Toray is NOT something superior to carbon fiber. Toray is a chemical company, which, among other things, makes carbon fiber prepeg, used in composites manufacturing. They are not the only company making such products. Rod manufacturers, having nothing better to propagandize, tend to hype numbers, and properties, which, in and of themselves, are basically meaningless.

 

Thus the idea Toray is better than all other companies involved in the manufacture of carbon fiber composite materials, is the product of marketing. And, in today’s hyper competitive manufacturing community, is simply preposterous. Do you even know, off the top of your head the name of any other company who makes these composite materials?

 

Whatever it’s properties, the color has nothing to do with it.

 

Twice as strong, and half the weight? Says who?

 

and, however it loads, progressive or not, has more to do with design than materials.

 

I do know the name of another manufacturer of carbon fiber composites. I have a blank made with carbon fiber composites produced by Ferrari. Yeah, that Ferrari. You think they are better than Toray’s products? Who knows. I don't, and neither do you.

 

I did not object to your spreading of information.

 

I do object to the dissemination of “fertilizer”.

On 3/28/2020 at 5:22 AM, Catt said:

Y'all hear that noise braid makes going through your rod eyes?

 

It makes the same noise going over wood!

 

Wood that has been submerged for years gets soft, braid will cut into it causing hangups.

 

There are many times I'll flip-n-pitch 1/8-1/4 oz weights into holes in grass, many times I'll use a weightless Senko or Fluke.

 

I learned years ago not to let people button hole me into doing things a certain way...now it's called thinking outside the box!

 That's cool, don't know what I did!

 

Fingers faster than the brain ?