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I feel dumb that I don't know this.  St Croixs 68Mxf and 610MLxf they have in both spinning and casting Rods.  Are they the same blank between varieties? 

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I expect they are, but am not 100% sure.  If the model numbers are exactly the same, they are the same.  Blanks can be built any way you want; the main thing (and challenge with subjective descriptions which are sometimes inconsistent even within the same company's blanks) is to get the power and action you want.

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Thanks Mick.  I've got a Legend Xtreme 68Mxf casting and Avid 610MLxf casting and was wondering if it be worth having spinning rods in the same taper/action/power.

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My old St Croix blank catalogs are gone but when they stopped selling blanks Mud Hole had a cross reference to MHX blanks on their website.

 

St Croix had casting and spinning versions of blanks, so as an example from that cross reference

3S68MXF 6-12# cross to MXH DS821 with CCS power 310 grams

3C68MXF 8-14# cross to MHX MB812XF with CCS power 617 grams

 

Since they break down finished rods as spinning or casting that might follow but I do not know.

 

 

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This shows the problem.  2 blanks called Medium power, same lengths, one at 310 grams one at 617 grams.  Just because one is called a "spin" and could be expected to be of less power, I don't think a difference of this magnitude is reasonable.  It's the same thing for action with one blank maker's lineup having blanks called "fast" with CCS AA's varying as much as 25 degrees.  What can be done?  1. Ask the blank maker for CCS data.  They have it and most will give it when asked.  2.  Set up your own CCS rig and measure your blanks.  In time you'll have a better understanding of what's going on, although there will still be surprises without having CCS data up front, 3.  Consult and support https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r3zv1ygtuUjPBa-c5LT9RTYeDR_pnCDIkVIdDv0YoeQ/edit#gid=1592691333

 

If you are unfamiliar with CCS it is a method for objectively measuring the power and action of blanks and rods.  https://www.common-cents.info/  It was developed primarily for fly rods, but it is applicable to any blanks/rods.

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3 hours ago, spoonplugger1 said:

Simply put when looking at the butt and tip diameters, the spinning blank are smaller in diameter on both.

Pretty close for the ones I listed above . . .

 

Spin: 3S68MXF STC SC3 Spinning Blank 6'8" 1pc 6-12# B0.515 T4.5
Cast: 3C68MXF-F STC Bass 6'8" 1pc 8-14# B0.52 T4.5

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