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Patriarch and light cranks?

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Can anybody here tell me how well the Patriarch does casting light cranks, like 1/4 oz.-3/8 oz.?

I'm looking to buy a new reel for lipless and/or shallow cranks and the Patriarch looks like the one...if it can cast the lighter cranks well.

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I haven't had the opportunity to toss some really small stuff with them yet other than 1/4 oz spinnerbaits.  It was real champ tossing those even in the wind. I'd definitely go with the LP reel. The smaller spool will spin up quicker than the larger one using smaller baits. The nice part about the reel is the dual braking. Between the click style spool tension knob and the brakes you can really fine tune that reel to just about any application without a lot of messing around with the reel and adjusting to changing wind conditions with the mag brake is easy.

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i let you know when mine comes and i use it.all my other pflueger reels have no problem with lures that weight.

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...I'd definitely go with the LP reel. The smaller spool will spin up quicker than the larger one using smaller baits...

Hmm...I hadn't thought about that.  :-/ I was thinking about getting the WLP for the added line capacity. How much difference do you think there would be in casting distance between the two, using light lures?

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...I'd definitely go with the LP reel. The smaller spool will spin up quicker than the larger one using smaller baits...

Hmm...I hadn't thought about that. :-/ I was thinking about getting the WLP for the added line capacity. How much difference do you think there would be in casting distance between the two, using light lures?

Since you'll probably be using lighter line on that reel, less than 14lb test, you're going to have a whole lot of line to work with on the WLP reel.  Way more than you need and it could hinder casting with the 1/4 oz baits, 3/8, less so.  

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Hmm...I hadn't thought about that. :-/ I was thinking about getting the WLP for the added line capacity. How much difference do you think there would be in casting distance between the two, using light lures?

Why do you need additional capacity?  Any bass reel that holds more than 100 yards of line has too large of a spool.

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Since you'll probably be using lighter line on that reel, less than 14lb test, you're going to have a whole lot of line to work with on the WLP reel. Way more than you need and it could hinder casting with the 1/4 oz baits, 3/8, less so.

You are correct. Since max diving depth isn't typically an issue with shallow divers and lipless cranks, it'll be spooled with the same 12# Sufix Elite that I use on my current cranking reel.

Why do you need additional capacity?  Any bass reel that holds more than 100 yards of line has too large of a spool.

You may be right. I have a tendency to fall into the "if one is good, two would be great" school of thought. :-/

cart7t, in your experience, is there a huge performance difference between the Patriarch and the JM Signature Series reels? With BPS's pricing during their big spring sale, and the reel trade-in discount, the JM would only be $105. As much as I like the lighter and more attractive Patriarch, the rather large price difference makes the decision much more difficult.

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The JM and patriarch looked really similar!

They do appear similar externally, and it's my understanding they're very similar internally, yet different. I know the JM has a higher max drag rating, but it's also 1-1.4 oz heavier than the Patriarch, and supposedly bigger overall. The reel I'm currently using for this task (Abu EXT-Pro) weighs 9.8 oz, so the weight difference isn't a deal breaker, but it is something that I'm looking at.

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the wide spool version when spooled with heavier line would only hold around 100 yds.it also recovers 2 more inches per handle turn.this makes it a very good choice for frogging etc. with heavy braid.

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According to their boxes, the wide spool versions hold 160/12 while the narrow version holds 100/12.

Since this reel will only be used for lipless and shallow cranks, I won't be spooling it with braid.

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A wide spool reel that holds more line will have a more consistant line pick up speed......You maintain a faster retreive through most of the cast.....

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and i've never seen a spool that holds as much line as the manufacturer claims it holds.they all tend to be way over the real amount they hold.

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The biggest difference between the Patriarch and the JM sig reels is the size and weight.  The JM reel feels big, solid, almost too big though.  

The Patriarch is nearly a twin to the Revo line, size wise.  Internally, there is some difference in the pinion release mechanism and the main crank gear on the JM reel is huge compared to the Patriarchs.

As far as performance.  The dual braking system is nearly identical.  Both reels are a breeze to set up and the adjustments are nearly limitless.  Either reel would be a solid performer and can throw just about any size bait but if you don't like a larger profile reel, stick with the Patriarch.  The JM sig series does have the advantage of being available in a slower 5.4:1 ratio.  

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I really appreciate it, cart7t. I took the day off to do a little shopping and general bumming around, and decided to hit the local BPS to see how the JM and the Patriarch feel in the hand. Comparing specs online will only get you so far.

The JM is butter smooth and looks/feels like a nice solid reel, but it's on the large side and pretty heavy for a low-pro reel. The sale price during their spring sale (after reel trade-in) is only $105, which makes it a real bargain, imho.

The Patriarch is just as smooth (possibly even smoother) and even in the WLP version it's still smaller and lighter than the JM by about an ounce. BPS has them for $199, but they're available online for $130-$150.

So the only question left to answer is this...

Is the size/weight difference between the two worth the $25-$45? I think so.  

On a side note, the new Pro Qualifier looks to be a pretty darn nice reel for the money. I was really impressed by the solid feel and overall smoothness Not at all what I expected.

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The Patriarch is great a casting light baits...This weekend I was fishing a BPS Lazer Eye Nitro Extreme Shallow Crank which weighs about 3/8oz with 10lb Berkley Sensation and my 64LP casts it like a dream, even in strong winds.  At no time was I close to a backlash with 4 pins engaged and 2 on the magnetic brake.  The beauty of the UBS is that the external brake makes for easy and quick adjustment when the wind picks up.

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Well, I ordered my new Patriarch Wed. night and it should be here by Tues. if everything goes well. Good timing, too, since I got laid off this morning and won't have to call in sick when I go try it out next Wed.  :D

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