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Hey guys I am about to rip apart my first BC reel so I can attept to learn how to rebuild.  So before I start I would like to get the schematics.  I am also willing to listen to your exsperience.  So please feel free to give info on this post.

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Thanx John

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If you're going to tear it down, I suggest laying out a clean cloth to put all the parts on instead of just the table top. Keeps them from sliding around quite as much. A towel works but if it's a bath towel then there is potential for lint to be stuck to the parts as you reassemble it so look them over. I like a dish towel or something not quite as thickly knapped as a bath towel is.

Take the reel apart in an orderly fashion, slowly so as not to damage anything or drop parts. Lay them out in the order they came apart in so reassembly will be easier. MAKE SURE THERE'S NO LITTLE KIDS AROUND THAT LIKE TO STICK THEIR HANDS IN STUFF OR YOUR LIFE WILL BE MISERABLE TRYING TO DO THIS. The last thing you need is a jumble of parts that you forgot how to put back together.

When I break mine down, I wash thoroughly all the parts, dry them making sure there's no lint on the parts, then modestly grease the gears making sure to get grease between every tooth on the gears, and then put one or two drops of reel oil on all the bearings. One good drop should be enough on them really. You don't want grease or oil on the drag washers though, not unless the reel calls for it.

Well, that's my experience with it. I do my reels every year in this fashion. Mine aren't Pflueger Trions though, but they are Bass Pro Shops Extremes which are made by Pflueger. So far, so good. :)

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Ok great thanks Rooster.  I was told by my freind to number an egg carton and then during the reassemblywork backwords.  Then another freind told me to use a camera so I am going to use everyone skills to adapt my own.

So did you find it difficult to learn this?

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You have to pay for them there John. Talk to Cart 7<Ghoti or J Francho; I think between those 3 they can hook you up. Or go to Pflueger Site, get Customer Relations Phone number and call them. Maybe even Robby might have one he can copy for you

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Try www.mikesreelrepair.com for schematics.

Thanks for that link. I added it to favorites to check out later, looks interesting.

To me, I found it no trouble to learn to do this as I'm pretty mechanically inclined. Some it comes easy for, some not so much. But if you keep all your parts in some kind of organization to let you know how to reassemble them then it will be a LOT easier to learn. I like to be aware of what each part is doing on the reel (its job) before I remove it and that way I know where it should go back if I drop it or forget where it was before I took it off. Some parts are easy to figure out and some aren't because they may have a shape to them that is totally customized to fit them in their place where they belong. But just laying out loose on the table, they look like nothing at all and give you no clues to how they would fit.

I'm not sure about the egg carton since it would only have 12 or 18 holes to use. You will have a lot more parts than that and would have to double up, or even triple up or more in order to make it hold everything. Then if you don't put them back in the proper order as you dig them out of the little cups, things will not work or fit right.

Good luck though. I like the camera idea, photo before you remove parts then reference the pics. Some parts will fit either way but only one way is right, such as with washers that are bent (opposing). They are supposed to fit like this () but sometimes people put them back like this )( instead. Also the main gear will go on the shaft either way but it's cupped to hold drag washers and needs to go on in only one way. Roller bearing too, it only turns one way but might fit on both ways. Your reel would turn backwards. That would be horrible to put it all back together and then have to tear it down again to flip the roller bearing around. NOTE: that roller bearing will fall apart on you if you pull the sleeve out of the center of it. Don't let it come apart or you'll have real fun ::) putting that one back together.

And this might sound like I am giving you great advice but I'm sure I'm forgetting some stuff.  I'm good at this while doing it but only so so at explaining how to do it.  And even at that, I'm not an expert, I've made mistakes and had to disassemble it again to fix them.  Takes time to learn it, and it helps if you have more than one of the same reel as well incase you did do something wrong, you could always open up the second one to look at in order to see how it goes back together.

GOOD LUCK!!!

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Hey Rooster: Good point about egg cartons. What I am talking about is the ones they use at the poultry and egg farms here, when they ship them out bulk ; to institutions; They are flat and have 48 depressions per sheet ( or so) It works out pretty cool

Take pics as you go along and number each egg holder; Then follow pics and reverse numerical order, works for me the few times I tried it.

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Check your e-mail. Schematics sent.

Great thanks you so much looks a little intimidating but I will work slowley one step at a time.

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Try www.mikesreelrepair.com for schematics.

Thanks for that link. I added it to favorites to check out later, looks interesting.

To me, I found it no trouble to learn to do this as I'm pretty mechanically inclined. Some it comes easy for, some not so much. But if you keep all your parts in some kind of organization to let you know how to reassemble them then it will be a LOT easier to learn. I like to be aware of what each part is doing on the reel (its job) before I remove it and that way I know where it should go back if I drop it or forget where it was before I took it off. Some parts are easy to figure out and some aren't because they may have a shape to them that is totally customized to fit them in their place where they belong. But just laying out loose on the table, they look like nothing at all and give you no clues to how they would fit.

I'm not sure about the egg carton since it would only have 12 or 18 holes to use. You will have a lot more parts than that and would have to double up, or even triple up or more in order to make it hold everything. Then if you don't put them back in the proper order as you dig them out of the little cups, things will not work or fit right.

Good luck though. I like the camera idea, photo before you remove parts then reference the pics. Some parts will fit either way but only one way is right, such as with washers that are bent (opposing). They are supposed to fit like this () but sometimes people put them back like this )( instead. Also the main gear will go on the shaft either way but it's cupped to hold drag washers and needs to go on in only one way. Roller bearing too, it only turns one way but might fit on both ways. Your reel would turn backwards. That would be horrible to put it all back together and then have to tear it down again to flip the roller bearing around. NOTE: that roller bearing will fall apart on you if you pull the sleeve out of the center of it. Don't let it come apart or you'll have real fun ::) putting that one back together.

And this might sound like I am giving you great advice but I'm sure I'm forgetting some stuff. I'm good at this while doing it but only so so at explaining how to do it. And even at that, I'm not an expert, I've made mistakes and had to disassemble it again to fix them. Takes time to learn it, and it helps if you have more than one of the same reel as well incase you did do something wrong, you could always open up the second one to look at in order to see how it goes back together.

GOOD LUCK!!!

You make it sound easy  :-[ Almost easier then muddy lol but I am looking foward to it.  This roller bearing the balls will fall out is this what you are talking about?

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Yeah.  They are little metal cylindrical shaped rollers instead of balls.  I made the mistake of removing the metal sleeve in the middle of a roller bearing on a spinning reel once and a couple of the rollers fell partially out.  It was "real fun" putting them back too as you can imagine.  Fortunately for me the bearing had a lot of grease on it so it mostly held the rollers in place and only those 2 moved around, and even they didn't fall all the way out.  I can imagine if they all did.  In short, AVOID IT.   ;D

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Hey Rooster: Good point about egg cartons. What I am talking about is the ones they use at the poultry and egg farms here, when they ship them out bulk ; to institutions; They are flat and have 48 depressions per sheet ( or so) It works out pretty cool

Take pics as you go along and number each egg holder; Then follow pics and reverse numerical order, works for me the few times I tried it.

Yeah, now one of those big ones would be a lot better. Good idea about numbering them too. And you could double up on some things like the screws holding the sideplates on if they're the same size and you have more than one.  Or some things that are obviously not easy to mix up such as the handle and drag star, you always know which order those go back in.  The internals are what you'd want to make sure you lay out exactly as they came out and only put one per hole in the carton.

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Hey Rooster: Good point about egg cartons. What I am talking about is the ones they use at the poultry and egg farms here, when they ship them out bulk ; to institutions; They are flat and have 48 depressions per sheet ( or so) It works out pretty cool

Take pics as you go along and number each egg holder; Then follow pics and reverse numerical order, works for me the few times I tried it.

Yeah, now one of those big ones would be a lot better. Good idea about numbering them too. And you could double up on some things like the screws holding the sideplates on if they're the same size and you have more than one. Or some things that are obviously not easy to mix up such as the handle and drag star, you always know which order those go back in. The internals are what you'd want to make sure you lay out exactly as they came out and only put one per hole in the carton.

Yea I have to get some of the large ones as well.  Rite now I have about 3 dozen cartons.  So Rooster does the trion have the same roller bearing?

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Any reel that has an instant anti reverse in it will have that roller bearing. Different companies call them different things. Shimano calls theirs "Super Stopper" for example. Some say instant, some say continuous. It's all the same technology, they do it with a one way roller bearing, meaning it will only turn in one direction, and they're all built the same (as far as I've ever seen, but I've seen a lot of them, only exceptions are spinning reels have a way to turn them "off" so they rotate in both directions, baitcasters do not). They have a hex shaped frame to fit into the reel and prevent the frame from turning, then they have rollers inside that riding on a cylinder shaped sleeve. They stay together because when they're inside the reel, there's no way for them to come apart, too many things surrounding them and holding them together. There's a tendency for the sleeve to try to pull out of the middle of it though as you take the reel apart. Once the bearing is removed from the reel, the sleeve can potentially fall right out and that allows the rollers to fall out as well. On baitcast reels this bearing is located on the main cranking shaft, the same shaft the handle and drag star are on, so you know where to look.  

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Any reel that has an instant anti reverse in it will have that roller bearing. Different companies call them different things. Shimano calls theirs "Super Stopper" for example. Some say instant, some say continuous. It's all the same technology, they do it with a one way roller bearing, meaning it will only turn in one direction, and they're all built the same (as far as I've ever seen, but I've seen a lot of them, only exceptions are spinning reels have a way to turn them "off" so they rotate in both directions, baitcasters do not). They have a hex shaped frame to fit into the reel and prevent the frame from turning, then they have rollers inside that riding on a cylinder shaped sleeve. They stay together because when they're inside the reel, there's no way for them to come apart, too many things surrounding them and holding them together. There's a tendency for the sleeve to try to pull out of the middle of it though as you take the reel apart. Once the bearing is removed from the reel, the sleeve can potentially fall right out and that allows the rollers to fall out as well. On baitcast reels this bearing is located on the main cranking shaft, the same shaft the handle and drag star are on, so you know where to look.

Great thanks for the info once I start I'll be sure to contact you.  Any other tricky areas?

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Only other advice I can offer is if something doesn't immediately come apart, don't pry on it too hard, there may still be something else holding it on.  Look around good and make sure there's not another screw or an E-clip or some other retaining device still holding it down.

Also any springs inside will likely be under tension so when you remove them, try to hold something over them like a cup or piece of paper incase they fly out.  That might help deflect it so when it does fly out it will land on the towel or nearby somewhere.  I've had that happen to me so many times in reels where there's a spring, I'll pull it loose and it'll fly out and go acrossed the room landing in the carpet somewhere and I'll spend the next 45 minutes looking for it.  A teeny tiny spring can drive you nuts if you lose it.  I learned the hard way about that.  In baitcasters there's sometimes a spring on the clutch mechanism, or on a flippin' switch.  Had a Quantum reel one time that had a spring on the flippin' switch and I lost it for about an hour once and thought I'd never get to use the reel again cause I just about couldn't find it.  Then I got lucky and there it was......15 feet away from where I'd lost it at.   ::)

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