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#31 justfishin

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Posted March 12 2007 - 12:13 AM

Thanks for the info Fish Cris. I feel the fish is on the up and up as well. All this talk of 8 and 9 smallies makes me one to vacation on that lake. Unbelievable. Where I live we fish hard for smallies between 6 and 7. The last few years it seems the 6's are getting harder to come by other than around the winter months when they move to their winter holes. I am curious. What is the most popular method you guys use out there in those clear lakes for these smallies and what are the typical haunts for these fish? I am guessing that it is similar to us right coast guys, tubes,flukes, hair jigs,senkos,spinnerbaits,jerk baits, spoons, etc. I am asking in a generic mode and certainly don't want you to give away your areas in here. :)

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Posted March 12 2007 - 12:19 AM

I'm not saying I don't believe smallmouth can look like that, I'm just saying that the clarity and color as well as some blurring make the photo look very suspicious to me. I could very well be wrong, but I have quite a bit of experience with Photoshop and I know what it would take to make a photo like that.  Either way, it doesn't really matter to me because I didn't catch it!  ;D
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Posted March 12 2007 - 09:00 AM

Hello C312. I hear what your saying, and I also have lots of photo / photo shop experience. Something else for you to consider though.... Sometimes, some people will photo shop out something like the lure hanging from a fishes mouth, the back ground, blood on the fish, etc. This tends to make some other people skeptical about the catch (if they notice it) but often, it wasn't photoshopped "because they didn't actually catch the fish", but to hide other facts about the catch.

As for that weird coloration, check this one out that I caught from the same lake:
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Look at the green in this things face !
Believe me, I'm as curious as anyone to whats really going on with these fish !

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Posted March 12 2007 - 09:09 AM

Fish_Chris,

Man, I didn't know you guys had smallmouth bass like that out there. I know why you spend so much time hunting largemouth, but I'm a little surprised other guys waste so much time fishing for "green trout!" I would always target brown fish if they are an option.

BTW, we catch lots of greenish smallmouth around here, it might be the exception, but not that unusual. Tiger stripping varies, too. You might notice in my avatar, the fat fish is dramatically striped, the longer fish's coloration was lightly striped. Both fish appeared to have greenish backs.

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Posted March 12 2007 - 09:21 AM

I have a ? for you  guys. What kind of forage is in these lakes with these green smallies? I fish mostly in Elkhorn Creek KY, New River WV, and lake erie and I have never seen one that green. They sure are purdy though.

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Posted March 12 2007 - 09:39 AM

That fish doesnt even look like a smallie.  I have never seen a smallie that is green like that.  Maybe it is a spot hybrid with a large mouth?  Even in the pic of the Maine smallie it is very dark gold color.  I agree with Roadwarrior that i have never seen a smallie with a bellie like that. I would be skeptical of the picture.  

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Posted March 12 2007 - 09:47 AM

That fish doesnt even look like a smallie. I have never seen a smallie that is green like that. Maybe it is a spot hybrid with a large mouth? Even in the pic of the Maine smallie it is very dark gold color. I agree with Roadwarrior that i have never seen a smallie with a bellie like that. I would be skeptical of the picture.


But what I wrote is that I am NOT skeptical. Although I have never seen a smallmouth that looked like the one pictured, its body contour is VERY SIMILAR to those of the World Record.

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#38 justfishin

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Posted March 12 2007 - 09:51 AM

I have caught spring smallies with big fat bellies like that. I still say its a legit fish. In the river they are almost always a brown color but, in the local gin clear lakes I have caught them that have more of a green color. I still think its a hybrid though. A cross between a spot and a smallie. Like I said, any way you slice or dice it you cannot take it away that it is a great fish !!! IMO
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Posted March 12 2007 - 10:45 AM

Hello C312. I hear what your saying, and I also have lots of photo / photo shop experience. Something else for you to consider though.... Sometimes, some people will photo shop out something like the lure hanging from a fishes mouth, the back ground, blood on the fish, etc. This tends to make some other people skeptical about the catch (if they notice it) but often, it wasn't photoshopped "because they didn't actually catch the fish", but to hide other facts about the catch.

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the green color isn't what I meant by the coloration. I have no doubt that a smallie can get that green. What I meant by "coloration" was the patterns on the fish. They have much more clarity than the rest of the picture which doesn't have very high resolution.  If a portion of an image has a different amount of clarity from the rest of the image, it suggests there are two different images involved. Take your picture for example, your picture is much crisper the whole way through, the fish has a high resolution and so does your hand and your face. You can see your knuckles and the individual hairs in your mustache. The other photo lacks the clarity in the fisherman and background that is evident in the fish.


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Posted March 12 2007 - 11:00 AM

You nay-sayers are amazing!  ;D Here you are all the way across the country doubting a catch when three guys who fish the lake and know the point where that fish got caught are all standing around twiddling their thumbs and mumbling about how it should have been their fish instead of doubting the catch!  ;D Just a clue... if all the locals don't even question the catch, regardless of markings... maybe you should follow suite. That is one SICK fish and he got her on a spot I never take the time to fish! (oops)
As for the colorations Chris is quite correct, that is a hot debate out here. There are no spots in the water or any water around it but these smallies sure look "funny". My biggest smallie out of there had the "traditional" colors, very bronze on the back, but still had the strange markings. Who knows? My partner is a fisheries biologist and we still go back and forth on the matter, he doesn't know either!

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Posted March 12 2007 - 01:07 PM

Fish_Chris, I'm thinking it might be time to change your avatar over to the pic with the big bronzeback (greenback). What an awesome smallmouth bass.  I'm looking forward to seeing some more pictures just like that one over the course of the next month. The ice is still two feet thick up here so I'm relying on you guys to keep me going for another five or six weeks.

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Posted March 12 2007 - 06:04 PM

One more thing C312, okay, I still hear what your saying, about "not just the color, but the color pattern".... and believe it or not, there have even been some big ones from this lake that had more of a solid, lateral line stripe too, just like that of a Spotted bass, and all variations in between. I appreciate the compliment on the sharpness of my photo, but even I have take a few that were not quite in focus, at times. Depth of field can also play a role with some stuff being in focus, and other stuff being out of focus.

Hey Matt, my old fisheries biologist buddy, Dennis Lee, retired a little while ago (total bummer :-( Does your biologists buddy have access (and better yet, funding) for DNA testing ? I'd love to get this question answered once and for all. I'd donate a 3 or 4 lb "weird colored Smallie" to find out. BTW, is your biologist buddy, also my buddy Mountain Bass ?

Hey Madhouse, I'd love to put up an 8 plus Smallie for my avatar...... unfortunately, that one I put the photo of is 'only' a 5.5 lb'er (and my PB is only a 'normal colored' 5.7 lb'er). I know, I know.... a 5.5 is a nice Smallie, but (and for the moment, Supermatt is in the same boat with me on this) from this lake, a 5.5 is hardly worth an honorable mention. I won't even feel like I can brag a little until I get my 7 plus :-)

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Posted March 12 2007 - 06:19 PM

One more thing C312, okay, I still hear what your saying, about "not just the color, but the color pattern".... and believe it or not, there have even been some big ones from this lake that had more of a solid, lateral line stripe too, just like that of a Spotted bass, and all variations in between. I appreciate the compliment on the sharpness of my photo, but even I have take a few that were not quite in focus, at times. Depth of field can also play a role with some stuff being in focus, and other stuff being out of focus.


I still don't think you understand what I'm saying. What I'm trying to say is that it appears that the bass's body itself has more pixels per inch than the rest of the picture. That suggests to me that two different pictures were involved, and that the bass's body was from a picture that has more pixels per inch (providing better clarity) I'm not talking about the specifics of the lateral line or coloration, but instead the photographic clarity of it. The bass should have the same blurry qualities that the rest of the photo has, specifically the blurriness in the foreground--but it doesn't, which makes suspicious. Comparatively, in your photo, both the bass and your hands and face (all at relatively the same distance from the camera and therefore should be similarly in focus) all have the same amount of photographic clarity--that's what I would expect of a fish photo, for the angler, boat, and background to match the photographic quality of the fish itself.
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Posted March 12 2007 - 06:51 PM

Naysayers, naysayers... why don't you call this number... 209-772-1472 and ask them what the new lake record is? I'm sure the MARINA could CONFIRM that fish/photo for you. (Not that it really matters, I don't think any of us know that guy)

Hey Chris, Urban is a fisheries biologist. He and I were arguing about those fish yesterday and he, like the rest of us, doesn't know what they are.

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Posted March 12 2007 - 07:08 PM

I don't care if this fish is real or not, the lake record or validity of this catch has no meaning to me, I'm just saying that the picture looks sketchy to me.
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