Nitrofreak

Anyone remember what I posted in the last food thread? I was going to share my sweet and sour sauce, it goes pretty good with just about anything, pork chops, chicken and rice, shrimp.

I would like to know what the probibility of that is BAHAHAHA !!!

Well, I never thought about that being taken literally, but then again I should have known better LOL !!

You bringing a parent?

Already been discussed my friend, as long as we keep it friendly there is no trouble with doing so, I am looking forward to the challenge, I have never been on the Potomac but I have been doing a lot of homework and the more I read the more excited I get. That being said...LET THE TRASH TALK BEGIN !!!

Does that not depend on who the Grandma is ? LOL !!!

HHHMMMMM There is something mighty fishy going on between you two here....

Awesome day, Congrats !!!!

The lake is at full pool right now, hearing from a friend, if I were you I would be turning my attention to the main lake points there with some good vertical structure, I fished this lake with my friend a few months ago and they were on the very bottom while the lake was shallow, some were stuck up on the shallow cover but very few, I can imagine the main lake points are a hot item after that big drain off.

Well lets see if we can add a little excitement here, anybody wanna talk fishin? Cause right now I can tell you whats happening over at Anna, if you are thinkin about a trip.

I too will make this my last post on this subject, but first and foremost I wish to offer my sincerest apologies to the OP and BR for getting way off topic here. I took the liberty to re-read the thread, I can see clearly that I was simply just not making sense, and most likly should have just stepped back for a little until I was better prepared to offer the right opinions and advice. Electronics are a funny little thing in my opinion, it seems to be one of the only big things in life, besides life itself, that has what we refer to as "variables" and a lot of them, the theory of electricity is something that has been openly discussed and argued for centuries, while certain facts remain a stable post in the evolution since the discovery of electricity. To the OP, my suggestion of using an 8 guage wire was absolutely incorrect, however I remain adamant in the fact that you should check the manufactures suggestions on the usage of the recommened cable size for the motor you are purchacing, my sincerest apologies for the confusion there, you should always take the manufacturers recomendations under strong consideration otherwise you may end up with a voided warranty, or worse yet something major could happen and damage the boat or you yourself could be put in danger. As for other things, I do not feel I have posted anything "bad" other than the fact that I was misleading in the cable size, bad info, no, confusing info, to say the least for sure. I won't make excuses for my reasoning, but to say it was "bad info" I would have to disagree, the argument could be made in many ways here. Fact is when we look at posts both are at fault here, A common practice, though I don't recommend it, is to use one as the cranking battery. That way you still only have to have three batteries but if you happen to run them down with the TM, you're screwed because the big motor is not cranking. As far as "bad info", in your post above, you stated you would not recommend using the battery configuration in this manner, but yet you laid the plan for how it could be completed, does that not suggest that it could be used in this manner? why would you eplain how to do it if you would not suggest it? Never ever would I even remotly suggest that the owner leave him or herself at risk by doing such a thing as using their primary source of dependency for modes of mobility up to chance, had there been an alternitive suggestion following the comment allowing the user a more viable alternitive for charging the batteries and or lessen the cost of having to purchace a third battery, then I would not give it a second thought. One more thing I noticed in that comment made, you politely mentioned you had a degree in electronics, now, unless I missed something my classes, a "big motor" is using electricity to make power or provide a means of propulsion in this case, assuming this boat is not a hybrid, I am guessing it has an internal combustion engine, if you are as adamant about "bad info" as you state you are, then I would assume that correctly addressing what a device is used for has to have some kind of priority. As for my math, as stated earlier, there are always variables in the field of electronics, the equasion is a direct result from formulas used for many years, the 101 that was used as an example in a previous post utilised a maximum ampere draw of 49 amps (recommended) not actual, as for the run time lots of good information there that you put in your post, but then again, it is still dependant upon variables, it was put there for the OP to have a general idea of what he or she can expect to see, not as an absolute, I did not make that clear in my post. I am just as much at fault here, I want to be perfectly clear, I have already offered my apologies.

It is certainly not my intention to upset anyone here or try to insult anyones intelligence, I can see I am having issues in trying to get my point across, and that is no ones fault but my own, my apologies. Maybe this will help maybe it won't but if you want to figure out the amount of ampere draw from a trolling motor. lb thrust divided by motor voltage times 12 will equal the ampere draw 101/36 = 2.80 x 12 = 33.66 amps 71/24 = 2.95 x 12 = 35.49 amps To figure out the time you can run at full load divide the batteries amp hour rating for instance 105 and the ampere draw from the trolling motor which was 33.66 for the 101 and 35.49 for the 71. 105/33.66 = 3.12 hours 105/35.49 = 2.95 hours I hope that helps to understand the little bit of difference between the two.

Basic electronics, if a motor is able to turn or create more rpm's it will require more current to do so, tempratures also plays a determining factor in how much amperage a motor will consume, and a less restricted circut to handle the amount of electrons flowing through a circut, ie the wire size and length for example, plays an important roll as well, if his current motor and his new motor vary grately than this may be an issue, the propellers pitch has a significant effect on the required motor power, dependant upon pitch, as a prop rotates faster and faster, it is stalling more and more, this induces resistance, which in short takes power delivered by the motor, perminant magnet motors DC are characterized by it's locked rotor torque or referred to as stall and it's no load angular velocity or speed, the speed of a DC motor is directly proportional to it's armature voltage, so RPM's are a determining factor in my opinion, I do not know what motor he has, I can only assume, but I feel if I did not mention the fact then he may never be aware that this could be a determining factor, if it should only vary slightly then there should be no issue or a very limited one. Current is the rate at which electrons flow in an electrical circut, the rate at which they flow is an amp or ampere, voltage is the pressure that allows electrons to flow, we both know how electricity works. All I suggested was that he check his wire size, if it was too small he should upgrade, if the wire size was at least an 8 guage cable, he may or may not need to change anything, there should be a listing on the box or packaging as to the available RPM range this motor is possible of generating, you will not get the maximum RPM from the 36 volt system or any system for that matter if there is too much resistance, and it warrants a look to make sure the wire size is correct and as close to resistance free as possible to handle the load placed upon it. I have seen butcher shops half a## repair circuts, and they may be fine for a given circut, we can upgrade to something like a 36 volt circut and be just fine at low loads, but the OP stated he fishes in slop and that it is he## on a motor, what happens to a motor when it gets its blades clogged with slop, it has to work harder, when a motor has to work harder it requires more amperage more amperage equals more heat, more heat equals a melt down of either a componant or a circut, which one comes first, usually the circut in most cases, and if a circut has been altered, it very well may not be safe or suited for this system. If a circut has too much resistance you will not acheive the RPM's the motor is rated to produce. My apologies for confusing everyone. I am only asking that you check your wire size, if you have an 8 guage wire you should be fine, but don't under estimate the circut, make sure of it's integrity and that it's resistance is very low, upgrading to a 6 guage will allow for extra current flow and will provide even less resistance should you choose to do so, it is mearly a suggestion.

Then it's 90 foot pounds my friend.

Parts of it anyway LOL !! That thing looks intact !! it would be great for roadkill stew LMAO !! a little koon a little possum, a little cat, a little dog, Hey we are already a 1/4 of the way there, go find the rest and I will meet you at the house !! Save the balloons though I will use them if someone I know gets a little sick and needs a pick me up LOL !!!

What??? your not going to share the recipe???? COME ON PERSON !! LOL !!

You assume correctly, and yes all you would need is the connection cables to the batteries to make it a 36 volt system, most all breakers are found mounted somewhat close to the batteries, it sounds like you either have a 12 volt system or someone has deleted the relay and installed a fuse.

My analitical part of the above post should be improved with a little more clearification, Thank you my friend for your opinion and for bringing this to my attention. A 36 volt motor will use roughly 1/3 the voltage needed at a max RPM of a 24 volt motor. if you were to only run this motor no faster than what you ran the 24 volt motor your motor would consume less voltage from your source and the cable size would make no difference here. However, if the 36 volt motor exceeds the RPM's of the 24 volt, then the voltage may be restricted by the wire size, resistance, which equates to limited voltage available at the motor, you may end up with the maximum available voltage that supplied the 24 volt motor as previous and not get the full benifit of what a 36 volt motor can offer, in order for you to get the maximum available voltage needed to keep the motor humming, I would suggest replacing the cable's if your wire size is 10 guage, if it is an 8 guage, you are or may be at the limit of the 24 volt motor, that size cable should be fine as long as the 36 volt motor does not spin faster than the 24 volt, a 6 guage wire will help alleveate any resistance issues when we add in all the factors including length and would be the best suggestion. One other question, do you know what amp breaker you have for your trolling motor currently?

Optima batteries are glass mat batteries with each individual cell cased in it's own pocket, no chance of a cell shorting against one another, or the electrolite transferring lead deposit build up between the plates, tuff batteries for sure, vibrations do not seem to bother these batteries near as much as regular flooded cell batteries, as to the longevity question, I have seen instances where the Optima has lasted longer than the normal flooded batteries, in most cases it has only been a year or so, on occassion I have seen them last 3 years longer, most of these are from people who take the proper steps especially during winter storage to ensure longevity of their batteries. As for the charger I agree with the above posts as well.

Your welcome, just keep in mind you are upping the available amperage by 1/3, the 24volt system cabeling from the batteries to the trolling motor will need to handle the extra heat if you use the motor pretty hard, just because you had a 71lb thrust motor before does not mean the cables from that system can handle the extra amperage the new trolling motor will be able to pull from the system, use caution here and don't take it for granted. Good luck and be safe !!!

Oh your so freaking funny LMAO !! Hey, My daddy always told me, If there were no fools, there would be no fun !! That being said.....just how big a fool do you think I am LOL !!

If you are thinking about it, you will need an extra battery tray, a third battery and some extra cables, use caution though, make dang sure the batteries are all the same, using one smaller than the others or larger than the others can result in overheating. Orient the batteries in the boat as such and wire as such. 1) set the first battery in 2) set the second battery in so that the negitve terminal is close to the positive terminal on the first battery 3) set the third battery in so that the positive terminal is close to the negitive terminal on battery two Wireing, 1) run a cable from the negitive on the first battery to the positive on the second battery 2) run a cable from the negitive on the second battery to the positive on the third battery 3) the two remaining terminals will be the positive on your first battery and the negitive on your third battery, use these two terminals as your connection for the 36 volt connection. Read your owners manual for the 36 volt trolling motor, it will let you know what cable size is required in most cases, if not you can e-mail the manufacturer and get all the answers you will need, most of the time the cable size will need to match the plug in and you can use that as a guide, if your original cables from the batteries to the trolling motor are too small or smaller than the plug in cable or power supply cable, then you will need to up grade, using too small of a cable from the batteries will overheat the cables when you are asking for a lot of power or a lot of amperage from the trolling motor.

Yes you are but what part are you torquing the bolts on? Some models have 2 seperate plates, one transom mount and one is incorporated as a unit, if yours is one unit it's 90lbs/feet, thats the reason for the question.

I met him a long time ago, we have been best friends for years, although, I am not sure why but it seems he is always making me forget where I parked my car, He always empties my wallet, he is forever trying to make a fool out of me, he has even been known to make me sing from time to time, but he always makes me happy, I just wish I could remember what it was that I was trying to forget. LOL !!

I have the pleasure of both, the Shennandoah runs for miles and miles and we never seem to fish all of it, I love to fish the river, it's home to so many secrets, but my favorite is fishing lakes, I love fishing deep structure, it's home to some of the biggest bass and you rarely if ever find someone doing the same thing you are, even when the lake is crowded, you find yourself all alone, with the exception of skiers and big boats during the busy season, that part of the lake is generally all yours, granted the bite is slower and fewer bass are caught, but the ones you do catch are on average larger.