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Swedish made is a tad overhyped in my experience. I just had to send back a Swedish made Morrum ZX(the gold and black one) because of pretty crappy build quality, the thumbar was loose as hell and the clutch wouldn't engage fully about 20 percent of the time until I turned the handle several times. The gears felt grindy as hell but someone who has a ZX said that might be normal? Not what I was expecting from legendary Swedish engineering. Stunning reel otherwise and is turning me on to round baitcasters Conquest 50DC is next!

Would you rather them charge $430 for a all carbon composite reel NOT made in Japan like some other company is doing? lol

Which one casts farther between your Curado and Tatula?

Jackall is a very popular Japanese brand and they produce top notch lures in quality, detail, innovation, fit, finish and action. It was co- founded by a legendary lure designer Seiji Kato. Jackall lures including the Squad Minnow helped win the Bass Master Classic last year. They are my favorite brand followed closely by Lucky Craft. As far as price go, they seem expensive compared to most American stuff but they are pretty affordable when you compare them to the Japanese competition such as Megabass and Evergreen which Ive found to be no better in quality, you are just paying extra for the name.

Maybe sooner than that. Bantam said they were going to release some new products at the Bassmaster Classic

Gen 2 spool tension was like that. You had to tighten it almost all the way to make any difference and it felt like it was either on or off because the gap between clicks was too great.

I've done the overnight acetone soak, the bearings do spin a long time but are also louder. Wouldn't it be better to remove the shields before you soak?

Once you go Shimano 50 you cant go back lol.. You can get a Shimano 50 (Aldebaran) with a 5.8 ratio. Its noticeably lighter than the Chronarch/Curado 50s, but also more expensive. They can handle a wide range of techniques and weights, not just light line finesse. Spinners, cranks, jerkbaits, small swimbaits(ive fished a 1 ounce Spro BBZ-1) with a capable rod. And these things can cast and don't let anyone tell you any different. Yesterday I was just playing around with my Curado 50 and measured out a 51 yard cast(153 feet) with a 3/8 oz practice plug on a 6'6 rod and 1 brake on. I wasn't even putting my full force into the cast. If you haven't already you should flush out the bearings. Collect them all and enjoy

At my local BPS the sales person said Revos are their best sellers. And apparently Lews is really popular on this board. I think its everybody's next move lol.

I agree and its about dang time.

Tatula rods are rediculously nice for the price vs competing rods in the same price range in feel and looks. Handled them a few times at bps. Just put some tape on the front reel foot as the aluminum but looked like it could scratch it up. I'm getting one once my new reel comes in :-)

Martens tunes his reels. Theres a couple of youtube vids where he talks about his equipment. Hes pretty detail oriented about his stuff.

Aaron Martens doesn't have a reel sponsor but he uses JDM shimano, metaniums and Stella's.

You should pull that bearing out and see if it makes a difference in the retrieve vs with it in? I don't want to go off topic in this thread anymore but I'll break down my curado tonite and send you a PM. :-)

I should have said spool tension instead of cast control because to me they are the same thing lol. I have 2 xship reels and there's only 1 bearing directly under the cc knob. The xship bearing is closer to the spool. In any event I think its 2 different ways to get to one goal :-) its just more plausible to me that that extra bearing in the tatula would contribute to the air rotation feeling instead of claiming its caused by digitally designed gears. Good debate though!

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Just curious, what does that bearing support then? Theres no bearing under the cast control cap? Im not sure of the older model shimanos because Ive only started using baitcasters recently. But other than the Met, Exsence and Aldebaran BFS, my shimanos only have 2 bearings supporting the spool. One under the cast control and one on the other side in the palming side plate. Im looking forward to getting a Tatula

The reason I ask is that you will appreciate higher end reels a lot more if you've fished with lower priced ones. I haven't used any of the reels you have but I went from a Citica E and 2nd Gen Revo SX to a Core 50 and from the first cast I said *@#^$%! The core 50 was so smooth and effortless and a lot quieter too. My metanium is a lot noisier than my Core 50 during casting and the Chronarch CI4 has basically the same casting system as the Metanium if that's a factor for you. If you are open to it TW has a reel demo program you might want to check out.

This is the picture that is directly under the picture you posted from the Tackle Tour review of the Tatula where they find the extra bearing lol.. how did you miss that? Micro Module is just smaller teeth for more contact points and does not require x ship. I wasn't trying to argue either I just spend a lot of time on the TT forums and Bantam 1 gets a ton of these questions in the shimano support forum and does a lot of explanation on Shimano tech

The Calcutta D was never meant to replace the Calcutta Conquest. Its actually a step lower in the Shimano round reel lineup. They just updated the D first.

I think the "short" free floating spool shaft design Daiwa uses necessitated a 3rd bearing by design, while Shimano could have stayed with a 2 bearing design and been perfectly fine since the spool shaft basically goes from one side of the reel to the other so you could get away with using only 2 bearings. I mean has any Shimano been lacking in smoothness and power before x ship? X ship just took it up a notch under load. My point is that Daiwa used the long shimano style spool shaft for the Tatula and added a bearing as the picture showed and Tackletour pointed it out in their review as to what they think the Air Rotation sensation really came from. I tend to believe them because Im pretty sure all reels(gears included) have been designed with CAD for the past 20 years or longer. So saying you "digitally designed" your gears makes me think marketing terminology. That being said, I hope the new Curado has X ship! lol

The first pic shows a standard gear set vs a micro module gear set, not x ship. X ship is basically an extra bearing to support the pinion to keep it aligned under load. Shimano put X ship in the Calcutta D which does NOT have Micro gears. Micro gears came out with the new Antares. The Exsence DC has X ship but NOT micro gearing. You may want to watch this video to educate yourself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvvBcfwEuic Because of the long spool shaft Shimano only really needs 2 bearings at the ends of the spools shafts like they normally have and still have a smooth and powerful retrieve. But the 3rd "x ship" bearing helps a lot under load. Daiwas normally have a short "free floating" spool shaft so that's 2 different spool shaft designs, but in the Lexa and Tatula they went with a long spool shaft like Shimano. And since we are quoting Tackle Tour.. "In one of Daiwa's early "Project T" videos, they introduce the concept of "Air Rotation" by spinning the handle of a prototype Tatula and showing how freely that handle spins without additional assistance. Their marketing material claims this is enabled through more precise, digitally designed and cut gearing. When I viewed this feature, my immediate thought was they probably added another bearing to the pinion gear similar to the recent implementation by one of their competitors. There's little we can do to verify claims of precision gearing, but I did take the reel apart to see if I could find another bearing under the pinion gear. Lo and behold, there indeed are two bearings supporting the pinion which in and of itself could explain that new, smoother, Air Rotation sensation." BTW those "Air Rotation" gears don't look any more precision cut than any other gears, Im gonna assume its just marketing hype by Daiwa.

Xship does not require micro gears. Micro gears is just the size of the gear teeth. "X-Ship provides improved gear durability. By supporting the pinion gear on both ends with bearings, the pinion gear maintains precise alignment with the drive gear. This means the gears will stay in the same position under the heaviest loads. The added benefit is that friction between the spool shaft and gear are eliminated. This will enhance the casting performance of the reel with lighter lures, and allow for longer casts." That's from shimanos website which about sums it up. You wont feel the x ship until the reel is cranking under load. I can tell you this much, X Ship, micro gears with Shimanos HEG is the real deal. I was fighting a 3lb largemouth with the Metanium and while I was cranking it in on one of its runs the sensation was so smooth that I thought I had my drag off, so I looked down and saw that line was indeed coming in my drag was tightened down. I think the reason it works so well is the long shaft spool design Shimano uses. Daiwa imitated this design on the Tatula and call theirs "Air Rotation". I don't think the new curado will have micro gears but I wouldn't be surprised if it has X Ship which would be awesome.

Don't forget the Bait Finesse setup :-D

If I'm not mistaken you can put the core 50 gears into a curado/chronarch 50 and get 7:1, and the Aldebaran 5.8 gears should fit too