hey guys appreciate the info. i believe fishing pressure combined with the ultra clear water has a lot to do with these fish. this past weekend i threw carolina rigged lizards and a weighted jig but these fish never made any notion of going after them. Ieven tried backing off and throwing a weightless fluke. i had a few slight hits more like they were trying to nudge the bait instead of striking at it. i have caught bedding bass before but these is presenting a tough challenge.