i just put braided on my line.. and to conserve the braided as much as possible, im going to add mono leaders to the end of it.. but what id like to do is tie a small loop in the end of the braided, then tie the leaders to that so when i change leaders i can preserve the braided loop and tie another length of mono on.. or tie lengths of mono to a swivel i can hook onto this loop

 

so, what could i tie for a loop in the end of the braided thatll suit this purpose well in terms of knots, or am i better off just tying a swivel on and tie the leader material into loops to hook onto the swivel?

 

i decided to opt out of using a double uni for the braided to mono backing knot, and decided to try the alberto knot instead, but would like another solution to adding leaders easily without cutting the braided

We use loop to loop leader connections sometimes in fly fishing but Don't think that's ideal hear due to the differences in material, diameter and strength. Are you changing the length and test of your leaders often? If so, to what end?

Also casting in fly fishing the loop to loop connection only passes through the guides when first starting out and not every cast.

 

I would think that the loop to loop connection would mess up the casting ability, especially on micro guides.

The typical use of braid is to use mono as a filler under the braid. The reason nearly everyone uses a low profile knot like the Uni knot to join leaders to braid is the knot is reliable and small diameter. A loop knot is not a strong knot and the loop is bulky and may not go through the rod tip or the smaller rod guides.

You will only retie a leader when the leader is too short or no longer good and you only waste maybe 3- 4" of braid line to retie. Not knowing the braid size or where you fish, you maybe able to fish the lure directly tied to the braid.

Tom

Line to leader I'll use an alberto knot, strong and slim.  I only tie line to leader when I'm fishing for mackerel species, otherwise for everything else I use a leader about 20" using a swivel, just make sure the swivel is big enough not to get caught in the top eyelet.  Loopknots used in b/c or spinning gear are for lure connection, I double wrap the loop and it's strong enough for tarpon, snook, redfish and bass, leader size has a lot to do with the strength of the knot, I use 20 or 30# for my targets.  Knots and lines don't break too often when the drag is set right.

i used an alberto knot for backing to braid, but im looking to maybe put a loop in to tie leaders because what i wanted to do was take some of the 20lb test i have left over, tie on the lures, rigs, onto their individual pieces of monofilament and have a way to quickly detach the leader to add other ones with lures already set up on them.. but i wasnt sure if i wanted to tie a swivel to the end of the braid or not, and for the length of leader, i dont intend on it passing through the eyes, itll only be about 12" sections on the very end of the line

 

on another note, i love this alberto not i used to tie the backing to the braid, i get the impression its the strongest, most low profile knot i could have used

I've never had success using mono in conjunction with braid. Everything I've tried has led to a really weak and unreliable setup.

If I'm reading you correctly, you want each lure to have it's own leader?  I have friends that do this every single day, whether it's a mono or steel leader, this what to do.  Put a swivel on at the end of your braid (mainline), attach a duolcok to that swivel. Tie a leader on to your lure and put another swivel on the end of the leader line,then attach it to the duolock.\

 

I've never had success using mono in conjunction with braid. Everything I've tried has led to a really weak and unreliable setup.

I might suggest working on your knots, I use that set up every day in fresh and saltwater, it should be rock solid.

ok then, so since im not passing through any eyes.. just swivel the braid.. see what i was thinking was something like the loop to loop connection fly fisherman use to temporarily attach leaders

ok then, so since im not passing through any eyes.. just swivel the braid.. see what i was thinking was something like the loop to loop connection fly fisherman use to temporarily attach leaders

I don't see any reason to go loop to loop, what's the purpose?  Whether it's alberto to leader or a improved clinch or palomar to the swivel and tie a leader that's about all that's needed. 

the point was to quickly remove the leader, as i want to have lures already tied to monofilament leaders i would tie a loop into, and quickly attach to the main line.. since most my fishing includes toothed fish like walleye and pike i just kept a steel leader on today

 

on another note, i love this alberto not i used to tie the backing to the braid, i get the impression its the strongest, most low profile knot i could have used

 

So, wouldn't common sense and firsthand experience tell you that this is the knot to use?

 

 

i want to have lures already tied to monofilament leaders i would tie a loop into, and quickly attach to the main line

 

So use a duo lock stye snap.  #3 size will work for most bass and pike applications.  I'll even include a pic of my spoon mod, showing the single hook, and swivel.  Just tie on a duo lock, and clip on these spoon rigs from there.

 

 

looks like you did what i did in replacing the treble hooks on your spoon with singles.. too many snags with trebles, but yeah.. ill just use a swivel... my dad fishes with me and he fishes for bass with a texas rigged worm, and it seems a couple fish have bitten his line off a couple times.. obviously, off-set hooks and a bag of plastic worms are cheap, but im thinking ill probably just keep the steel leader on there for all my fishing in this lake

the point was to quickly remove the leader, as i want to have lures already tied to monofilament leaders i would tie a loop into, and quickly attach to the main line.. since most my fishing includes toothed fish like walleye and pike i just kept a steel leader on today

In post # 8 is the exact way to do it.  This is extremely common in saltwater from pier or jettie fishermen, they hang the lures from a 5 gallon bucket and put a plano inside with terminal items, they do not carry tacklebags.  This is what most of my friends do as they only fish the jettie, some only use steel and leave it on.  I fish other places too so I don't use that system, I use a fanny pack and I do not fish with steel leaders.  The swivel on a spoon is a good idea, many of my spoons already come with one, and come with a siwash ( single hook) in the package as well for a hook option.

 

Killed the barracuda on 1 oz krocodiles the last 2 days and to my surprise didn't get cut off using a mono leader, usually not that lucky.

I use a single hook because it gets a better hook up with big trout and salmonoids.

I use a single hook because it gets a better hook up with big trout and salmonoids.

I take your word for this completely, but why do you think this is the case? On the surface it seems 3 sharp points would be better than one.

Simply easier to swing on them, rather than sweep pressure.  Often they not only run straight at you, but sometimes in the air.  No way to sweep set in that case.  With a single hook, as soon as you feel the strike, swing and swing hard.  Once hooked, they are not getting off with that big hook in their face.  It also hangs up on shallow rocks much less than a treble.

Makes sense, thanks. I'm doing more and more multi species fishing and always looking for tricks and tips in that regard.

Hopefuly this fall will be decent weather wise, and I'll be able to get out more than just a few times for trout.  If you're up this way...open seat, always Mike!

Easier to unhook fish with a single hook, a treble hooking in both top an bottom lip doesn't always come out real smooth.  I use a 2/0 or 4/0, some inshore guys replace the trebles with single hooks on hard lures, you can buy them.

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Using a leader I put a swivel to attach both lines together then I use a snap swivel to

change out my lures faster.

Why use a mono leader? Isn't the whole purpose of using braid is that is doesn't stretch and its strength? Why not use flurocarbon?

because i have tons of mono already.. ill probably switch to fluoro in the future.. right now im worried about fish with teeth biting the lines

 

what if i buy a bunch of split rings, and i tie a split ring to my main line, swivels to the now mono, but fluoro later leaders? the split ring would give me a very durable  connection point to the swivels, and also be small enough to pass through the eyes of the reel to remove the reel or spool should i choose to do so..

 

what sort of knots do you prefer for attaching terminal tackle?.. i find myself using palomar knots mostly