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In CT, I pitch to relatively clear water deeper milfoil. I want a light flippin (but mostly pitchin) rod that has the right power. I know the D766c is a broomstick, But how does the GLX 4 power compare? I know the champion weighs more but does balance really well. How does the GLX weigh and balance in comparison? Is the 4 power too soft given my most common conditions? I can't afford these sticks brand new, so I would be getting them used, that's why it is one or the other. Thanks.

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In CT, I pitch to relatively clear water deeper milfoil. I want a light flippin (but mostly pitchin) rod that has the right power. I know the D766c is a broomstick, But how does the GLX 4 power compare? I know the champion weighs more but does balance really well. How does the GLX weigh and balance in comparison? Is the 4 power too soft given my most common conditions? I can't afford these sticks brand new, so I would be getting them used, that's why it is one or the other. Thanks.

You aren't comparing apples to apples really.  They both aren't the same power.  I have never used the Dobyns so can't comment, however the GLX 894 FPR I used a few times.  (A friend who is a tourney guy).  The stick handled pads and weeds not a problem, but I wouldn't describe the areas we fish as super heavy like you see down south.  I'd imagine you would be fine just from your description and the fact you live in the Northeast (I live in Ontario Canada).  The one thing I was impressed about the latest GLX line, even though they were light (I was skeptical on backbone and strength) that the back bone was amazing.  As far as balance, I found that it was just fine for all day pitching/flipping.  I definitely would use a heavier reel if balance is a deal breaker.  My friend had a BPS PQ on it and balanced ok. 

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I agree. They are too different sticks for the same technique. Which would be best given the circumstances?. How was the tip on the GLX when muscling fish? Thanks for your input.

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I used to use the 766 for punching. Its a broomstick. Not what I would consider a pitching stick.

I dont have the glx 894 but do have the nrx894. Amazing pitching stick. Mine almost always has a 1/2 jig on it for pitching to cover. It is deceivingly powerful for such a light rod but im never concerned pulling fish from trees/bushes/laydowns. Its power is close to a dx746 if you have held it.

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I used to use the 766 for punching. Its a broomstick. Not what I would consider a pitching stick.

I dont have the glx 894 but do have the nrx894. Amazing pitching stick. Mine almost always has a 1/2 jig on it for pitching to cover. It is deceivingly powerful for such a light rod but im never concerned pulling fish from trees/bushes/laydowns. Its power is close to a dx746 if you have held it.

Is the dx746 that new rod where Gary lifts the gallon of water?

Because of the deep milfoil. I often pitch 3/4 and 1oz t-rigs. Would the 894 be okay for 1 oz. ?

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yes thats the rod gary uses.

I didnt know you were using such heavy weights +plastic in grass. Get the 766 or even the 805.

I have no idea how well my 894 can handle 1oz buy i imagine pretty easily. I like a heavier rod than some. I can find out the deflection a 1oz weight causes for you later on the 894 though.

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If you saw this year's elite at Cayuga where hack won pitching to deep grass - candlewood has some grass similarities. Then there's the CT river that is similar to something in between the Delaware/ Hudson and maybe in some spots a tiny bit like the Potomac. Lillinonah and Zoar - are all about pitching to wood. Twin lakes, Highland are all about finding the right grass. I do like fishing lower champlain at least once a year as well.

Most common grass is milfoil, Broad leaf pond weed, fa wort, etc. If anyone else is from the area, please correct me if I'm wrong.

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That changes everything, I never used the GLX FPR with 1 oz, 3/4 oz I have and it was fine.  Looking at the specs, that is the highest end it can handle  (1oz).  Add this with plastic it maybe out of it's range.  Unfortunately I can't test it out for you.,,,I could test it on my GLX 894C JWR if you want but again that is not apples to apples.  The FPR is a more stout rod build.  I agree with iabass if you're using 1oz regularly then between the two I'd go for the Dobyns. 

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I might have an opportunity to get a used nRX 895

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The NRX 895 would work very well for your intended purposes. Beaware though, it's probably the most tip heavy NRX made. 

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I might have an opportunity to get a used nRX 895

I don't have a 5 power Loomis rod, but I would say yes.  Even my JWR 894 has amazing backbone to pull a fish out. 

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The NRX 895 would work very well for your intended purposes. Beaware though, it's probably the most tip heavy NRX made.

Geez. Can't win. I'M not a fan of tip heavy rods. Is the GLX 895 the same way?

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If I stick with what I got in the d766c flip, what would be the disadvantages of a Stronger tip than needed?

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Geez. Can't win. I'M not a fan of tip heavy rods. Is the GLX 895 the same way?

No idea about the GLX.

 

The dobyn's rods in the 7'6+ balance better than any rod on the market.

 

for 1 rod to do everything you're mentioning, I'd look at the DX795. 

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You can save 20% on all Dobyns in stock at BTD today only. Thats $72 savings on the Dx795.

I have the 766c and a Dx745. The champ is my punching rod and works great in really nasty slop. All other flip/pitch and jig work is done on on the DX. I will own more when I can afford too. They are awesome rods and a pleasure to fish with.

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The Dx795 is medium heavy? Going from a 766 broomstick to medium heavy seems like a big jump. Tough decisions. One day sale?

Dobyns "70 dollar no hassle". That doesn't include shipping it out for at least 30$, right?

From what I heard, its the guides I'll have the most trouble with - I don't know how to fix a guide.

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The Dx795 is medium heavy? Going from a 766 broomstick to medium heavy seems like a big jump. Tough decisions. One day sale?

Dobyns "70 dollar no hassle". That doesn't include shipping it out for at least 30$, right?

From what I heard, its the guides I'll have the most trouble with - I don't know how to fix a guide.

It's not a true MH.

 

It's a MH in it's respective group "flipping", 

 

The 735c is also labeled as a MH and it's my frog rod. 

 

They don't label their rods as a universal whole it that makes sense. I.E a 733 is no where near the same kind of rod the 795 is even though they are both MH. If you were to label the 795 as a whole in their line up, it's probably a 1/2 power over a traditional H power rod. maybe a tad more.

 

The 795 has a very unique action that allows you to pitch lighter weight baits than you would not want to /w the 766. The 795 can pitch a 5/16oz trig and punch a 1 1/2oz weight no problem. I've never used 2oz on the 795 and I don't even think I have  2oz tungsten to be honest. I use 1oz and 1 1/2oz punching.  

 

The 766 is by all means the "meanest" stick they make. It was more of a one trick pony for me though. It was punching or nothing. It's just such a broom stick. Not a lot of give in the bend. The 795 can do a lot of things and do a lot of things very well. 

 

If you're strictly throwing 3/4-1oz+ tungsten into grass and not using the rod for anything else, get the 766. If you need to punch 1oz weights then turn around and pitch 5/16 tungsten (probably could do 1/4oz too depending on bait) into cover, get the 795.

 

It's 20$ shipping if I remember correctly. I've only had to use their warranty program once.

 

Their guides are great guides. I have had an issue /w one. They will send you a new guide free of charge and just find a bait shop or somebody local to put it on. It will cost you at most 10$ and won't void any warranty.

 

I notice your favorite lake is Candlewood. If you're local, look up Paul Mueller.(He got 2nd last year in the classic) He's a guide on the lake and one of the nicest guys you will ever talk to. He's on the Dobyn's Team and will probably let you feel any rod you want. He also has a youtube channel.

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It's not a true MH.

It's a MH in it's respective group "flipping",

The 735c is also labeled as a MH and it's my frog rod.

They don't label their rods as a universal whole it that makes sense. I.E a 733 is no where near the same kind of rod the 795 is even though they are both MH. If you were to label the 795 as a whole in their line up, it's probably a 1/2 power over a traditional H power rod. maybe a tad more.

The 795 has a very unique action that allows you to pitch lighter weight baits than you would not want to /w the 766. The 795 can pitch a 5/16oz trig and punch a 1 1/2oz weight no problem. I've never used 2oz on the 795 and I don't even think I have 2oz tungsten to be honest. I use 1oz and 1 1/2oz punching.

The 766 is by all means the "meanest" stick they make. It was more of a one trick pony for me though. It was punching or nothing. It's just such a broom stick. Not a lot of give in the bend. The 795 can do a lot of things and do a lot of things very well.

If you're strictly throwing 3/4-1oz+ tungsten into grass and not using the rod for anything else, get the 766. If you need to punch 1oz weights then turn around and pitch 5/16 tungsten (probably could do 1/4oz too depending on bait) into cover, get the 795.

It's 20$ shipping if I remember correctly. I've only had to use their warranty program once.

Their guides are great guides. I have had an issue /w one. They will send you a new guide free of charge and just find a bait shop or somebody local to put it on. It will cost you at most 10$ and won't void any warranty.

I notice your favorite lake is Candlewood. If you're local, look up Paul Mueller.(He got 2nd last year in the classic) He's a guide on the lake and one of the nicest guys you will ever talk to. He's on the Dobyn's Team and will probably let you feel any rod you want. He also has a youtube channel.

I talked (messaged) with Paul 2 nights ago about a different rod, but asked him earlier in the year about a pitching rod at cwood (per your earlier advice) and he loves the 736. I like the 7'6" length and don't mind the 7'11" if it were a little lighter than the Shimano crc-711HXF I currntly use. So, the 736 was not an option, but he's been great in getting back to me with help. Thanks for your help as well. I Can be indecisive at times, so your input is making this process much easier

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I talked (messaged) with Paul 2 nights ago about a different rod, but asked him earlier in the year about a pitching rod at cwood and he loves the 736

Yeah, he's a weirdo. 

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He's been great. Connecticut's probably one of the country's best states in BASS Nation. We now have a hometown guy to root for. I asked for a good "pitching" rod and I still think i should have said pitching AND flipping b/c most people still think of the two as synonymous. He's used the 766 in a video he did on cwood fishing deep grass with Texas rigs. But the more time I have to actually think about it has lead me to think that it's a little too stiff.

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I agree. Like I said before, it's the meanest rod they sell. The 795 is such a better rod. The 736 is quite stout, too. Paul's the only person I've seen that likes the 736 of all the line up for pitching/flipping. The 736 is a rod that a lot of people out west use as a frog rod. You could look at the 765 if you're looking to save some cash. That's as low as i would go though for your intended purposes. 

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Thanks again, man. I purchased the dx795 flip. I'll let you know how it goes. I'll be selling my still in plastic 766 flip champion

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The 795dx is an awesome rod and my overall favorite for flipping!  I throw baits down to 3/8 oz on it and although it is not ideal it still works well.  You made a great choice and I bet you'll be really glad you spent the extra money!  It helped us put these fish in the boat:

32.55 lbs, 8.00 big fish

 

 

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