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so to pass the winter boredom ive been doing some reading.Just finished slider fishing by Charlie Brewer. I couldn't help but notice while reading it the similarities in approach between the two techniques.Both emphasize light weight similar type retrieves type of hook set etc. bear in mind charlies book was written in the 70s I believe. I looked up some things on the ned rig and reread those also and was again struck by the similarities. ive had some success on the ned rig but after reading more I need to refine the way I fish it.i think I will try to work on the slider technique this year also on the clear highly pressured lakes I fish.there deffinitley seems to be some crossover between the two techniques.

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Ned Kehde often makes reference to the Slider head, Charlie Brewer, Chuck Woods and the beetle, guys who developed baits and techniques that he's taken parts from to develop the Midwest Finesse fishing style. 

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I totally agree...I never officially joined the "Ned Club" but there is definitely crossover. I read the book recently and really think its a great read.

 

Charlie points out in the book or video that it's not his heads that make the system. But I've always been a fan of the Slider head just because it comes through brush better than most other heads..IMO.

 

 

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One of my favorite ways to fish is to glue a TRD on the back of a bitsy bug jig and crawl it back across the bottom using my reel. I keep my rod fixed in the 10 o’clock position and slowly turn the reel to crawl the jig. I use my higher end legend elite rod for this and braided line on my spinning reel because I love feeling every twig and rock as the jig bumps into things. I learned this retrieve from reading about slider fishing.

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I often think that words like technique and pattern do more harm than good, not to mention that they only exist between the ears of LMB guys.

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I was in the exact same boat as you are, last year, around this time. I did a lot of research on Charlie Brewer's techniques.  So,I experimented with the slider pro heads during pre-spawn and did exceptionally well with a Zoom Finesse Worm (Junebug). A majority of the fish nailed it on the initial descent. The slider head design allows it to glide seductively on a very slow fall and the LMB couldn't resist. Another good worm for an alternative action is a black 4" Berkley Power Worm. Both encompass a similar body profile; but the ribbon tail gives it some 'swagger' as there are some nights where that just got bit more than the ultra-finesse, dead sticking (at times) methods associated with the finesse worm. 

 

Fast forward to the post-spawn, when the bass preferred moving targets, I would simply swap out the worm for a grub and swim it back on the same slider head with much success. If weeds started to form, then using the spider slider head gave me a weedless presentation.  I'm a huge advocate as you can tell! 

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Finesse jigs have been around since the 1930's before soft plastic worms.

Round heads were first commercially sold by Doll Fly jigs followed by dart heads designed for soft plastic worms in the 60's. Finesse bass fishing was first written about by Jason Lucas in the 50's using light line and small light jigs.

Tom

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2 hours ago, Dorado said:

 I would simply swap out the worm for a grub and swim it back on the same slider head with much success. 

Mid depths or along the bottom?  I trying to up my suspended fish game..lol

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6 minutes ago, Todd2 said:

Mid depths or along the bottom?  I trying to up my suspended fish game..lol

I fish a lot at night from the bank so my average depths hover in the 6-7 ft range. In the post spawn, I countdown 2 seconds before retrieving most of the time. I fish grubs year-round and slow roll them off the bottom in winter to pre-spawn periods. 

 

Last year, late in the post spawn, the wake bite was on fire for a 3 week window. I used the lightest underspin I could find and held my rod tip high to have my grubs swim just inches below surface. The tails would create a subtle wake, which was key for these highly pressured ponds. I never got a single strike from noisy topwater lures like buzzbaits, whopper ploppers, list goes on. With the exception of the Manns One-Minus, it dawned on me that I had to go with soft plastics that resembled more natural movements to imitate the threadfin shad. Sexy lures like the Pompadour Jr., are too loud and obnoxious for these urban ponds that get beat everyday.   This year, I'm going to experiment with swim senkos and ultravibe speed worms for that subsurface bite. 

21 minutes ago, Todd2 said:

Mid depths or along the bottom?  I trying to up my suspended fish game..lol

3/0 Owner Flashy Swimmer with CPS mated with a 3.5' RI Little Dipper (Pearl Blue Shad below) did wonders for me last Late Summer/Early Fall for suspended fish. If you're a grub fan, use the same hook and pair it with a Kalin's Lunker Grub (Blue Pearl w/ S&P) and that worked very well too. 

Owner Flashy Swimmer with CPS 2pk

 

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Small bait on light jighead - 1/16 for starter - glide it through water shallow or deep - you develop a sense of what the little bugger is doing and you can fish suspenders or bottom huggers - the 1/16 oz beetle wandered off center because of its head shape - the concept is and has been very effective - new lure technology and design has only made the deal more effective. Relax and catch a bunch of fish.

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6 hours ago, Todd2 said:

Mid depths or along the bottom?  I trying to up my suspended fish game..lol

1/8 oz dart heads* with Roboworm 5" curl tail are ideal finesse presentation for suspend bass.

Tom

* Revenge Darter Hedz 

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