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I'm looking to put one on a Ruger 10/22, which do y'all prefer?

 

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How's your vision.  Mine sucks so here's what I've found out.

I tried a Red Dot that came with an AR I bought and didn't like it.  It was one of those el cheapo $50 things and had something like a 4 or 5  mil dot.  At 50 yards the dot was the biggest thing in sight.

I tried a Reflex and needed magnification it didn't have, couldn't see a dang thing at 50 yards.  Definitely was not going to shoot many small critters with it.  

So, I ended up putting and old Weaver 2 1/2X with 1" tube on it.  Mine is the take down with the poly stock so I put the Red Laser made for it that goes on the end of the forearm piece and held with the barrel band.  That works great for night critters.  Also added a small LED flashlight that fastens onto the small rail section that came with the laser.

 

The funny thing is, I can still shoot better without sights than with them so, even though I'm getting blind as a bat on my near vision, I shoot my Henry Golden Boy as good instinct shooting as good as I do the 10/22 with the scope. Of course, after 60 years of doing it, I should still be able to hit something.  That's where I payed to live a couple doors down from a guy named Bobby Lamar, called "Lucky McDaniel" when I was kid.

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I have had good luckk with vortex red dots. 

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@Way2slow my brother bought his son a Golden Boy & he said it dead on out of the box. He did put a red dot (IDK what kind) on his 10/22 but is having problems sightings it in.

 

I have a 4X on my 10/22 but was wondering if a red dot or holographic would be worth the hassle.

 

@CroakHunter what ya got it on?

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11 minutes ago, Catt said:

@Way2slow my brother bought his son a Golden Boy & he said it dead on out of the box. He did put a red dot (IDK what kind) on his 10/22 but is having problems sightings it in.

 

I have a 4X on my 10/22 but was wondering if a red dot or holographic would be worth the hassle.

 

@CroakHunter what ya got it on?

Have it on a lightweight 16 inch barrel ar. My home defense gun. 

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Here's my take on Red Dots.  First, you have to buy a good one to get a small mil dot for shooting small things at much distance, 50 yards or more.  I've tried several and decided I wouldn't want one with more than a 2mil dot and to get one that has a clean crisp 2mil dot is expensive.  I'm kinda funny about being able to see exactly where I want to shoot something.  The cheaper they are, the fuzzier and bigger the dot.  I usually prefer head shots on most everything so there is no suffering and having to look for it, and when the sight covers 80% of a small target, you're just shooting at "it", not what hair you want to hit. 

Holographic and Reflex sights are nice (the good ones) but for me to make clean target acquisition I need optic help and for all that, I need deeper pockets.  A couple companies are getting reflex sights up around 5X at reasonable prices but the ones I've seen make one big blob on top of your rifle.

I've pretty much stick with either open sights, or 1-4x variables on rifles I don't plan on shooting more than 100 - 200 yards.  A variable to 15x for mid calibers I might make 500 yard shots with and 8-32x for punching holes in paper at most any range.

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I tried a red dot and a reflex on my 10/22. Did not like either one.

I ended up with this Simmons scope. Surprisingly nice for the price.

https://www.amazon.com/Simmons-511039-Matte-Black-Riflescope/dp/B000KOSB34/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1546302445&sr=8-1&keywords=simmons+scope+22+mag

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22 minutes ago, Russ E said:

I tried a red dot and a reflex on my 10/22. Did not like either one.

I ended up with this Simmons scope. Surprisingly nice for the price.

https://www.amazon.com/Simmons-511039-Matte-Black-Riflescope/dp/B000KOSB34/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1546302445&sr=8-1&keywords=simmons+scope+22+mag

I have had this exact 3x9 simmons on my 10/22 and so does my dad.  This scope was like 60 bucks when it came out and he got one first.  After i tried it out i immediately got one.  I like nice optics and own several nightforce scopes.  For the range the caliber is capable of there is no reason to go to a better scope.  It is clear and has decent tracking for the small amount of adjustment in the middle of the range that i normally use it.  I run a UTG 20 moa scope base on mine that runs about 20 bucks, and the UTG rings are decent as well.  I tried the dots and as discussed above, in the price range that you would be willing to pay to put on the top of a 10/22 there just garbage.  There is a long range shoot at NC pala that goes out to 225 and that will exceed the travel  of the scope even with the 20 moa base.   

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First I aint hunting, just target shooting & definitely under 100 yds.

 

Second I aint spending more than I spent for the gun!

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I love a reflex sight on a 10/22 

 

I dont know what's the best for your buck though. I just know I like em. Mines a cheap one but I can throw bottles in the air and shoot them using my reflex sight. 

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Don't know why you don't want to spend $500+ to put optics on a $250 rifle that you rarely shoot more than 50 yards with, other than at a piece of paper or something when just plinking.  My 10/22 Take Down is the first 22 I've ever put optics on, and the only reason for that is my eyesight and the rifle has never felt right just throwing it up and shooting.  I've never felt like spend the time or money to make it fit right.  My two main 22's are a Remington 552 semi and Winchester 62 pump gallery gun.  Both of those, I don't even need sights on them.  My granddaughter bought me the Golden Boy for my birthday last year.  I don't shoot it a lot but it also feels great and instinct shooting with it is not a problem right out of the box, and I wouldn't detract from it by sticking optics on it.

For the center fire stuff, I have several rifles the scopes cost a lot more than the rifles.  I've always been a firm believer in, no matter how good the rifle, it's hard to hit what you can't see.  However, most of my center fires are custom built 1960's model 700's I bought cheap, and built them myself, so my biggest expense is usually the barrel.  Krieger and Shilen get kinda proud of their barrels. 

One of my most expensive scope is just for target shooting. 

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Best bang for the buck for a 10-22 is a Primary Arms Micro red dot sight, and UTG M1913 rail section made to bolt right to the top of the 10-22's receiver.

 

The rails can be had for about $10 on Amazon or Ebay. Comes with the screws. Little blue loctite and it's GTG.

 

The red dot is $89 with free shipping right from Primary Arms. They have "blemished" ones on sale now too for $60. They will bolt right to the above mentioned UTG rail. The Primary Arms optics are re-branded Holosuns and are fantastic for the money. I have several of varying grades on multiple platforms from .22LR, .223, and .308.... 

 

A good tube style $100 ish red dot will be much more durable than a cheap reflex sight. You'll have to spend $200 or more and step up to at least a Vortex Venom or Burris Fast Fire to get a decent RMR....even for a 10-22.

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Thanks y'all  😉

 

I'm going with the Primary Arms Advanced Micro Dot!

 

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I have bought three Primary Arms scopes last year and have been very satisfied with them.  They seem to offer the most scope for the buck of anyone else's I looked at and I liked the reticle they have.  They also give a Military discount on items not already on sale, so that helps also. 

That Red Dot you picked has good specs and a small dot, and I don't think you will find a problem with their quality, based on the ones I've gotten.  They were actually a lot nicer quality than I was expecting for sub $500 scopes.

 

If you check, I found a picatinny/weaver rail made for the 10/22 for mine with the center milled down so you can take the optics off and still be able to use the factory, open sights.  All other mounts I looked at block the sights so they were not usable without taking the mount off.  

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tactical-Rifle-Ruger-10-22-Receiver-Picatinny-Rail-Scope-Mount-See-Through-4-7/222449771938?epid=27012053883&hash=item33cb0a25a2:g:4KgAAOSwttFaDRC5:rk:9:pf:0

Mine was silver and cut a little different but it was similar to this one.  Mine had a little wider, square cut slot in it.  Also, you may not need one with that sight.

I have this personal thing about not being able to remove optics and use factory, open sights.  All my scope on quick detachable mounts that give access to the open sights so it the optics get damaged or change impact points for some reason, I can quickly remove it and go to the open sights.  I DO NOT use or like see through mounts because they raise the scope to high and makes compensating for that a total pain at different distances. 

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@Way2slow I aint purchased anything yet 😉

 

Still reading & re-reading these answers!

 

My only experience with red dots was with Vietnam era Aimpoints & they aint got nothing in comparisons to today's.

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If you do order optics and a rail, I should clarify my point on the rail.  You will see a lot of the rails with a slot milled down the center, but they are not milled deep enough to let you use the sights. Once they are mounted, the bead does not stick up to let you see it.  The one that allows use of the sights is called a low profile see through and the slot is milled a lot deeper than the normal rails, it's almost all the way down to the receiver and comes with special extra short screws to mount it. 

I see the one I reference looks like it has a round bottom.  I know it's hard to tell from pictures but the one I found (which happen to be the only silver one I could find) seems to have a wider channel and flat bottom.  It's very easy to use the factory sights and leaves some field of view on each side.

 

One things I might also suggest, If you feel you are pretty sure you want one.  Go ahead and order a rail and mount it on the rifle, they are not that expensive.  Then take the rifle with you to look are optics.  Since most the those don't require rings, you can stick the optics on the rifle while at the counter and get a much better feel for what you think about them than just holding one up and trying to look through it.  Also remember, things are a lot closer in the store, so those big dot optics don't seem that large, until you actually get outside and looking at something at a distance.

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Catt. Get the at3 micro red dot sight.

 

I have one on my 16 inch ar grendel rifle dang good sight. The dot at 100 yards is 2moa size, that means it covers a 2 inch spit at 100 yards, 1 inch at 50 and 1/2 inch at 25 yards.

 

Shot my last 2 deer at 60 yards with it on my rifle and irs pin point accurate.

 

Price with shipping should be under 100 bucks, lifetime warrenty on it as well.

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